I'm an LPN and I understand.

Not being phased out. But being forced back to our traditional role as Licensed Practical Nurse. This article addresses the LPNs role being phased out of acute care and what future LPNs should know about the practical nursing profession. Nurses LPN/LVN Article

I'm a new Nurse. I spend a lot of my time on a nursing home corridor behind a med cart, or more like a rolling Walgreens kiosk. I stay at work 1, 2 sometimes maybe 3 hours after shift change behind a nurses station. After 4pm , I function alone. I'm the one in charge. I'm the one who assesses residents, makes judgements, contacts physicians, contacts family members, sends residents to the hospital, it's all me. It's a big responsibility. It's a big job. I'm a NURSE. I'm the NURSE. But I am not an RN. I'm an LPN.

There's been much debate on not only this website, but around the country; about RNs and LPNs and what's the difference. It seems like around every corner you hear, don't become an LPN, or LPNs can't work in acute care. In my area LPNs can work in acute care and are growing strong in med-surg and ortho/rehab units in acute care. But that's not to be naive to the fact that in many parts of the country this is not the case. But I understand. I understand why LPNs have been phased out of ERs, OBs , ICUs, med surg in some areas, and it really does not come as a shock to me.

The current trend for LPNs is not new. LPNs came about ages ago to assist the RN by tending to stable patients with predictable outcomes. But with today's healthcare costs, and all other modern day alternatives to costly acute care like Rehab, LTAC, LTC/SNFs, Home Health, those patients with predictable outcomes just don't camp out on med surg like they used too.

Hospitals today house highly acute patients. And our skill sets as LPNs just aren't effective in this kind of environment. It does not make us any less of a Nurse, it's just not traditionally our role. Our role has moved with the times outside of hospitals. But that does not mean our role is gone. There's a Home Health Agency, Nursing Home, LTACH, Rehab Hospital hiring LPNs in bulk around every street corner.

So my question to all LPNs? Why would you work in a CNA capacity just to get hospital experience? All prospective LPN students need to understand that an LPN is not an RN. Just like a Podiatrist is not an MD. All are doctors. But different types. RNs and LPNs are both NURSES but different types. RNs are acute care nurses, and nurse managers, made for coding patients, and IV drips, and newborns in distress. As LPNs we are there for Accu Checks, PEG Tubes, Walkers, foleys. We LPNs are Nurses whose expertise is management of long term chronic illnesses. But we are Nurses.

Don't waste your time going through podiatry school if you want to be an MD. You'll be disappointed. Same thing if your dream is to be an RN on a busy NICU but you're sitting at clinicals at your local trade school in an LTC facility. We need to embrace the type of Nurse we are and our role as LPNs. Why go to school to be an LPN to work as a Tech on med surg, when you can use your Nurse smarts and leadership abilities in long term care.

I think the problem with LPN insecurities today is we LPNs try to be something we were traditionally not meant to be. It's not the magnet status talk or the BSN requirements. With shortages of Nurses in LTCs and tough budget cuts to federal programs paying a BSN RN to pass meds in a busy nursing home for $15-17$ dollars an hour is scheduled for the 31st of Never.

So let us embrace the LPN's role in nursing as the "chronic illness stable condition nurses". I'm proud to be a long term care nurse. I don't want to deal with critical drips , titrations, deteriorating newborns and such. I want to provide the best nursing care possible to people in need of long term management for chronic illnesses. If these jobs are outside the hospital, we have to follow them. We have to be proud of the Nurse we chose to be.

Again don't become a family medicine specialist if you want to be a neurosurgeon. Both are physicians both have similar knowledge. But the skills and individual knowledge they have match 2 different types of client populations. It's the same with LPNs and RNs. I know that in a perfect little world the LPN is an assistant to the RN and the RN delegates and supervises every little move and task that an LPN makes. Let's get real now. In small rural nursing homes where the DOC knows the Nurses on a first name basis, the LPN has more autonomy than MSN-RN in a large hospital.

Not knocking anybody's role. RNs have more acuity skills according to the BON, they have a better understanding of the big picture and i understand. But I have a role as a Nurse. I'm a long term care nurse. I manage chronic illnesses. It's what I signed up for. I would suggest anyone who wants to fly on helicopters, and start atropine drips in the ER, or care for an infant in the NICU, do yourself a favor and strive to be an RN. Because I do not have these hopes.

The elderly are a blessing and I'm doing what I love. I'm a NURSE. A long term care LPN and proud of it. It's what I do. You stick an ER RN in my job and it probably won't go well. You stick me in the ER, I know it wont go well! So please prospective LPNs. Consider our tradition. Accept it, or strive for your RN, beause we're not the same. And as an LPN I understand.

Specializes in Public Health.

While I agree you absolutely cannot underestimate the importance of formal education, I believe that BScN trained nurses can be utilized in different ways than the bedside. LPNs are more than capable of taking on that role. Diploma trained RNs held down that fort for decades, without a degree, and it was just fine.

I'm not completing my degree to stay in the role I have now at the bedside. I will learn a total of zero new skills in my bridging program, but a whole lot of leadership and management theories. And utilizing THAT is where you will find me when I graduate.

I'm a proud practical nurse and soon to be RN, but I would be happy to be cared for by an RPN/LPN in the hospital.

Also, please understand my ignorance in regards to the U.S. System. Things are VERY different in Canada with LPN/RPN education and scope of practice.

Having a bachelor's degree will no make someone a better nurse. Also, BSNs and diploma/ADNs take the same darn test for licensure. I would rather have a nurse with experience that knows what she's doing than a new grad that is clueless but hey, they have a piece of paper that tells them they are smarter (in areas that are not essential to patient outcome because they are not skill related).

Ok, so yes a bsn or msn will set you up to be a better nurse. Sorry. Your argument is flawed because of your archaic view on what nursing is.

"(BSN degree) In areas that are not essential to patient outcome because they are not skill related." This is like saying physicians don't need an phd or MD because they aren't just learning clinical skills and all they do is write papers, so really they should only need a masters degree. Medicine and nursing is not just about clinical skills. The world is pushing faster than that which requires higher levels of science education.

Specializes in Cardiac (adult), CC, Peds, MH/Substance.

I think it's time for Beta to tell us his/her experience and credentials. I'm going to take a wild guess and form an opinion, and that opinion does not include "experienced nurse."

Specializes in Public Health.

Hmmmm...

Specializes in Public Health.

I think the problem is the way you have worded things.

"More educated" nurse sounds more correct.

I would never tell someone, anyone, that I was better than them in ANY capacity, especially at a job. But I guess that is just who I am as a person :)

More educated? Certainly.

and that opinion does not include "experienced nurse."

I'd be more excited to learn your experiences. Given the EMT-I (I wasn't sure people even became intermediates any more) and the LVN status I can make a general opinion about you too.

Why would you not tell someone you can do something better? If we got a critical burn patient into the ER and you said you can do burn patients better than me, please do. I don't take offense to that, and certainly not when lives are at stake.

Specializes in Public Health.
Why would you not tell someone you can do something better? If we got a critical burn patient into the ER and you said you can do burn patients better than me, please do. I don't take offense to that, and certainly not when lives are at stake.

If my experience in that area would be more suited to the situation, then absolutely I would explain that and take over.

It is a matter of words and connotations.

I also enjoy the positive work relationships that are forged through mutual respect. Study after study shows that good team work results in more positive patient outcomes. Having an "I'm better than you" attitude does nothing positive if you work on a team.

Specializes in ER, SANE, Home Health, Forensic.

Very well stated. I have been, and continue to be impressed by many LPN's I have the honor to work with. Thank you for the professionally stated reminder to us all.

Specializes in Cardiac (adult), CC, Peds, MH/Substance.

Basically the reader's digest condensed version is this: I went through Army Medic School, then the Army Practical Nurse Course, then additional training. I worked in a lot of different areas. I taught for a while. Then I was commissioned and did completely non-medical things, mostly management and leadership and/or technical things dealing with guided missile units. During the process, I did both undergrad and grad school. Then I worked in engineering and project management as a civilian for technical projects (mostly IT and/or physical security). I decided to go back into nursing, because I enjoy it more even if the pay is a small fraction and I've learned that job satisfaction is a lot more important than pay.

It's NRAEMT now. So you're correct. People don't become intermediates any more.

I started a nursing career a long time ago, then went and did other things a long time ago, before deciding nursing is what I truly enjoy, and taking a massive pay cut to go back into it.

My intention is to become a nurse practitioner. I'm starting to get grey. I'm not sure I could work floors for another 20 years, but hopefully my brain will keep on ticking so I can provide NP care.

Any questions?

I appreciate that you got the Beta joke.

So I don't get it. You were taking offense to the fact I said higher education enables someone to be a better nurse. Since you're going to become a NP, my question is why? Because to practice at the level of a nurse practitioner requires higher education. It is now a doctorate, and was a masters, and prior to that was a certificate. Is anyone saying there weren't great certificate NP's? No. But would a NP with a doctorate outperform in the long run? Yes. Which is exactly why the field is pushing for that level of education.

I've been a NP for over a year now working critical care / ER float at one of the busiest trauma hospitals in the US.

Specializes in Public Health.

You are certainly a more educated nurse :)