(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)
Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.
I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine.
What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.
And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice
Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
44 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
Also, herd immunity is the way almost all serious disease ends. The question is whether we get there through vaccination, infection or both. However since most people won’t take these vaccines it probably will not be that route.
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Of course, without vaccination, most people find the suffering and death necessary to actually achieve a natural herd immunity without vaccine completely unacceptable. It's not actually normal for a health professional to display such a biased view of vaccination and public health objectives.
Our job as health professionals is to obtain the best information for ourselves and our patients and advocate for covid immunization to save lives and reduce suffering.
Of the 300,000 who have died how many died of Covid and how many died with Covid? In the past when flu season was going strong and someone died of a MI where they tested for the flu, no. Now when you come to the hospital for just about any reason you are tested for Covid and if they test positive they are listed as a Covid death. Over the Summer a person died in a car accident in Flordia and was listed as a Covid death. Follow the money, hospitals are paid more money if a person is listed as having died of Covid instead of the main cause.
After checking the number of deaths in 2019 from the CDC vs this year the number is only 22K more deaths than all of 2020; 2,855,000 vs 2,877,601.This will increase because there is still a couple of weeks left in the year and there is a couple of weeks of lag time to get the complete numbers. But the numbers do not add up. This information came from the CDC and John Hopkins
Also, herd immunity is the way almost all serious disease ends. The question is whether we get there through vaccination, infection or both. However since most people won’t take these vaccines it probably will not be that route.
Of the 300,000 who have died how many died of Covid and how many died with Covid? In the past when flu season was going strong and someone died of a MI where they tested for the flu, no. Now when you come to the hospital for just about any reason you are tested for Covid and if they test positive they are listed as a Covid death. Over the Summer a person died in a car accident in Flordia and was listed as a Covid death. Follow the money, hospitals are paid more money if a person is listed as having died of Covid instead of the main cause.
After checking the number of deaths in 2019 from the CDC vs this year the number is only 22K more deaths than all of 2020; 2,855,000 vs 2,877,601.This will increase because there is still a couple of weeks left in the year and there is a couple of weeks of lag time to get the complete numbers. But the numbers do not add up. This information came from the CDC and John Hopkins
The death rate per 1,000 has increased from 8.7 to 9.1 which is not that great of an increase. The UN has a chart out which has the US death rate increasing every year for the next 30 or so years because of our aging population. They had an increase from 2019-2020.
Of course, without vaccination, most people find the suffering and death necessary to actually achieve a natural herd immunity without vaccine completely unacceptable. It's not actually normal for a health professional to display such a biased view of vaccination and public health objectives.
Our job as health professionals is to obtain the best information for ourselves and our patients and advocate for covid immunization to save lives and reduce suffering.
A perfect example of a previous post of what happens when you don't follow the company line.
This post shows the posters bias for the vaccine. By pushing to get a vaccine that has not had long term proper testing being a advocate for your patients?
Of the 300,000 who have died how many died of Covid and how many died with Covid? In the past when flu season was going strong and someone died of a MI where they tested for the flu, no. Now when you come to the hospital for just about any reason you are tested for Covid and if they test positive they are listed as a Covid death. Over the Summer a person died in a car accident in Flordia and was listed as a Covid death. Follow the money, hospitals are paid more money if a person is listed as having died of Covid instead of the main cause.
After checking the number of deaths in 2019 from the CDC vs this year the number is only 22K more deaths than all of 2020; 2,855,000 vs 2,877,601.This will increase because there is still a couple of weeks left in the year and there is a couple of weeks of lag time to get the complete numbers. But the numbers do not add up. This information came from the CDC and John Hopkins
You are on a forum filled with people who work in hospitals. Next to this thread are a few thousand accounts of hospitals being overrun by covid-19. In my hospital, we've doubled our critical care patients, while also bumping the more 'stable' patients who would formerly be in an ICU to the floors because we don't have enough ICU staff to go around. For a while we had almost no STAT teams in our hospital - just code blue after code blue, as one failure to rescue piled up after another. I've seen ICU inpatients die of entirely treatable complications like hyperkalemia because we just don't have the trained personnel to manage our patient load.
Hospitals, meanwhile, are losing money because elective procedures - which normally generate the bulk of hospital profits - are cancelled.
How big and obvious does this have to be to get people - even those who should know better as medical professionals - to acknowledge reality? How deep into the sand can you possibly push your heads?
3 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:
A perfect example of a previous post of what happens when you don't follow the company line.
This post shows the posters bias for the vaccine. By pushing to get a vaccine that has not had long term proper testing being a advocate for your patients?
I see, I think it's great that you encourage adjunctive therapies in addition to pharmacological ones, a lot of providers forget about those things. But what about your patient with schizoaffective disorder that's in and of jail and the hospital who requires multiple antipsychotics and mood stabilizers many of which we have mainly theories on why/how/if they work and often times studies with mixed results. My point is that I just find it ironic that someone who seems to be so skeptical of information related to this virus that you would choose psychiatry to work in. I don't mean to offend you.
I don't work with that population and even so there is a good evidence base for antipsychotics in schizophrenia. If I did (work with that population) I would still seek to maximize patient choice. I believe that vaccines are essential to public health. However, I believe that they come with both risks and benefits (like all interventions) and that these must be carefully weighted for each individual with informed consent and choice at the center of each individual decision.
Of course, without vaccination, most people find the suffering and death necessary to actually achieve a natural herd immunity without vaccine completely unacceptable. It's not actually normal for a health professional to display such a biased view of vaccination and public health objectives.
Our job as health professionals is to obtain the best information for ourselves and our patients and advocate for covid immunization to save lives and reduce suffering.
When we live in a country where others define for us what is "normal for a health professional to display such biased view of vaccination and public health objectives." we have slipped into a dystopian society. Who are you or even the CDC or World Health Organization for that matter to decide what is bias and what is not? There is a wealth of information subject to a multitude of nuanced interpretation. Herd immunity is the only way this disease (or any infectious disease) will ultimately be controlled and hopefully vaccination will be a part of that process. However, it is vital that it remain voluntary in the context of informed consent with a balanced perspective between the risks and benefits of any vaccine. I experienced a decade where I had the "choice" of taking a flu vaccine (that I didn't want) or find another job. Indeed, even to go to school for both my undergrad and graduate degrees I was given the choice of "show proof of vaccination or you cannot go to school". I fear that I will be faced with a similar "choice" over the course of time with these forthcoming vaccines and I do not relish the idea.
I think that as long as we can all agree that the vaccines should be voluntary then we are at least mostly on the same page. It would also be good to do a large cohort study (starting now) of hospital workers who receive and decline the vaccine over the next year or two looking at all outcomes including Covid infection rates as well as other morbidity and mortality. It should at least provide some additional data (albeit not as good as an RCT which probably isn't reasonable at this juncture) with which to develop a basis for informed consent. Hopefully, this is occurring as we speak.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
1 hour ago, Jeckrn1 said:
Of the 300,000 who have died how many died of Covid and how many died with Covid? In the past when flu season was going strong and someone died of a MI where they tested for the flu, no. Now when you come to the hospital for just about any reason you are tested for Covid and if they test positive they are listed as a Covid death. Over the Summer a person died in a car accident in Flordia and was listed as a Covid death. Follow the money, hospitals are paid more money if a person is listed as having died of Covid instead of the main cause.
After checking the number of deaths in 2019 from the CDC vs this year the number is only 22K more deaths than all of 2020; 2,855,000 vs 2,877,601.This will increase because there is still a couple of weeks left in the year and there is a couple of weeks of lag time to get the complete numbers. But the numbers do not add up. This information came from the CDC and John Hopkins
Stop spreading misinformation about this pandemic.
Of course, without vaccination, most people find the suffering and death necessary to actually achieve a natural herd immunity without vaccine completely unacceptable. It's not actually normal for a health professional to display such a biased view of vaccination and public health objectives.
Our job as health professionals is to obtain the best information for ourselves and our patients and advocate for covid immunization to save lives and reduce suffering.
Also, perhaps a better example of natural herd immunity before vaccination was Chicken Pox. Most people got it by age 12 or so and most survived (some however became very sick and perished). However, it also had/has late life ramifications like Shingles making the vaccine worthwhile. Still, even before the vaccine (for Chicken Pox) there was a high rate of "herd" immunity. Conversely, with diseases like Polio and measles herd immunity was achieved mostly through vaccination. It is usually a combination of both people getting the disease and vaccination that ultimately achieves this result.
Stop spreading misinformation about this pandemic.
Which aspect of the data presented is misinformation? It would be preferable to present better information which demonstrates that the aforementioned information is not correct than simply to assert that the data presented is "misinformation". One approach stops discussion while the other may facilitate greater learning and understanding.
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Of course, without vaccination, most people find the suffering and death necessary to actually achieve a natural herd immunity without vaccine completely unacceptable. It's not actually normal for a health professional to display such a biased view of vaccination and public health objectives.
Our job as health professionals is to obtain the best information for ourselves and our patients and advocate for covid immunization to save lives and reduce suffering.