How Would You Rate Your Pain????

How would you rate your pain???? As nurses, how many times have we asked that? Have you ever really thought about what you are asking and what the answer might mean? Have you ever had to give an answer to that question yourself? Just what does it mean to you? If you've even been forced to use a pain scale, you may have noticed some of its inadequacies. Nurses General Nursing Article

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I was with a friend recently who was awaiting a craniotomy. We were in the OR holding area when the nurse came in and asked him "How would you rate your pain on a scale of zero to ten with zero being no pain and ten being the worst possible pain you could imagine?"

Now my friend has a sense of humor, however at this moment he was definitely not trying to be funny when he tried to give his answer. He was very perplexed.

"What do you mean? How would I rate my pain? I am not having any pain right now. Why are you asking me that now?" he asked.

She showed him the pain chart. You know the one. With all the little faces.

The nurse explained that they would be asking him that after surgery so they wanted to know the number he would give the level of pain he was having pre-operatively. That way they would have a baseline for his pain, making it easier to find appropriate treatment to manage the pain.

Now I don't know about you....but that would be confusing for me too had I not been a nurse. I might think the pain I am or am not having right now has no affect on the pain I probably will be having post-operatively.

We all know that pain is subjective, which makes it difficult for anyone but you to know how you feel. What I might rate as a 5, someone else may rate as a 7 or 3.

The subjectivity of pain may also make it difficult for doctors and nurses to determine whether or not pain medications are effectively treating your pain.

Pain scales are meant to provide a more objective method to measure pain and let the healthcare team know the severity of the symptoms. When asked how they rate their pain on a scale of zero to ten, with ten being the worst possible pain they can imagine, most people will base their answer on the type of pain they have experienced throughout their lifetime. Some people have had the good fortune to not have experienced severe pain. Their point of reference will be quite different from someone who has experienced natural childbirth, kidney stones, nerve damage, etc.

Some people are used to living with chronic pain of a daily basis. If they say their pain is only a 6 or 7, it doesn't mean they are not hurting. Also, just because they are trying to be optimistic and are laughing and joking doesn't mean they are not hurting.

Some people worry that if they don't give the answer that appropriately reflects their pain, they will not get the proper treatment. Therefore, some patients may tend to rank their pain higher than it really is just to assure they will get medication. (Of course we know patients who purposely create or magnify their pain in order to get pain meds. But that is an entire topic all of its own.)

The friend I mentioned at the beginning of this article told me about a video which is a very humorous depiction of one comedian's experience with the pain rating scale. It is quite amusing. Enjoy!!

Emergency Room Humor

After watching this video, I am afraid I might have to stifle a laugh or a smile when asking this question. We all know that pain is no laughing matter. It is real and is difficult to measure.

Viktor Frankl made this statement in his book, Mans Search for Meaning, which aptly portrays the effect of pain and suffering:

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"To draw an analogy: a man's suffering is similar to the behavior of gas. If a certain quantity of gas is pumped into an empty chamber, it will fill the chamber completely and evenly, no matter how big the chamber. Thus suffering completely fills the human soul and conscious mind, no matter whether the suffering is great or little. Therefore the "size" of human suffering is absolutely relative."

To read more articles, such as When Nurses Cry, and I am Afraid. Please Pray for Me, go to my AN blog: Body, Mind, and Soul

The thing that annoys me most about the pain scale is that it doesn't account for how different pains are more or less tolerable. Ankle pain that's the same intensity as back pain is more tolerable to me than the back pain. The back pain is more tolerable than the head pain. Least tolerable pain for me? Sinus pressure in my teeth. Even if it's really only a "2" I'd like full anesthesia knock out when I've got it going on.

In peds, I FLACC everyone that I can get away with FLACCing. Or OPS. FACES is ridiculous. Even for kids. All the pain scales are ridiculous, because you can't make something as subjective as pain into an objective number.

Do you hurt? Lot or a little? Tolerable or do you need medicine?

That's all the "scale" we really need. Too bad that's not considered "objective" but "Pick a random number/picture" is considered objective.

I usually ask kids if they hurt a little, medium, or a lot. Everyone seems to understand that. I ask a pain scale with numbers and people of all ages appear confused. It irritates me yo no end to ask someone their number and get a response like "oh, I don't know, it's not too bad" but then I can't chart that because the chart requires s number. But wait, if pain is what the patient says it is, I should be able to chart their non number.

You might wanna keep all that crying to yourself when going for a pre employment physical :roflmao:

(It's descent, not decent to the baseline btw) So, how was the litter-chore? :cool:

I won't be a problem when I start working. I've decided to just let the VA script me whatever it takes to get me able to do the job.

Oh, and I understand the difference between "Decent" and "Descent." I just forgot to include the "s." :)

I won't be a problem when I start working. I've decided to just let the VA script me whatever it takes to get me able to do the job.

Oh, and I understand the difference between "Decent" and "Descent." I just forgot to include the "s." :)

Yeah, yeah...."I just forgot to get my BSN."

Just kidding!! I can't help it.

Have you seen any of the threads about nurses who take prescription medication? Nurses aren't human you know. It might be worth checking out if you're gonna be relying on scripts to get you through.

I think that the number scale being the *only* acceptable tool is a result of "point and click" flowsheet charting. With good, old fashioned paper charting, you would quote the pt or write what symptoms they were displaying. Nowadays it seems like all assessments have to conform to a narrow, predetermined set of boxes to click on the flowsheets.

Specializes in Adult/Ped Emergency and Trauma.

Southern US Pain Scale

0..........I feel ahrite

1-5.......achin' a lil'

5-6.......hurtin' worse

7-8.......hurtin' "badder" now

8-9.......really hurtin' a bunch

9-10......hurtin' like hell

10+.......Just Cut it off! -or- Pull it!

What's really funny is that many of you will assume I am joking, Lol!

Specializes in Peds, Med-Surg, Disaster Nsg, Parish Nsg.

I love that!!! LOL

And it is very true. But heck......us southerners call it as we see it.

Specializes in Med Surg.

I know you're not joking. I had an older gentleman last night tell me he "hurt like the devil." I called it a 6 and put that in the notes.

I find the pain scales semi useful. Mostly I try to ask how the pain changes, is what we're going making things better, that sort of thing. Everyone's experience is so subjective. I had a patient last week tell me his pain tolerance is good, do if he gets to a five, he's really hurting. Other people say they're at a ten for a hangnail.

Specializes in Adult/Ped Emergency and Trauma.

I just have to try so hard not to suggest a number when I am assessing, it's like pulling teeth to get them to pick a number. It's worse with males(and I am a male), but it's like I said earlier, we just don't won't you to think "whuss" to yourself, so your going to get a lower number, after a few long seconds of pause and soul searching.

I know it was a good idea to do 1-10, or FLACC as you can compare it back, and gauge relief. But, if your not even getting an honest pretreatment level, on paper the intervention may not look as good as it really was.

Also, the patient may be chronic pain, and normally live with 3-5 pain levels, but seeks medical attention over an 8, and will be totally happy once returned to a 5 or less. It was sooooooo sooooooo sad when Vioxx was taken off the shelves, because that medication treated chronic pain well(arthritic Ped and Adult); It was sooooo effective!!!

Specializes in Trauma SICU.

I only use the 10/10 scale because of charting, but rely more on the pt's description of the pain. Usually this works well, and I can give them a suitable med from their PRN list, it doesn't work well when the dr decides to prescribe based on the numeric scale. That really annoyed me when I did stroke rehab. It was impossible to premedicate my patient with how the orders for her oxycodone was written.

Now for me, I sprained my lower back muscles a few years ago and they went into totaly spasm. I could not move without screaming in pain. My mom needed to call 911 because I could not get myself off the kitchen floor, or even turn myself without almost passing out. I still felt silly answering 10 on the pain scale because I know it's relative. So who am I to say that I have 10/10 pain when the person next me has half of their arm hanging off? Guilt makes me do funny things sometimes.

Specializes in ICU, telemetry, LTAC.

I will expect total and complete pain relief when dealing with a case of cardiac pain, especially one with additional symptoms. In those cases you (you being the patient) do not need to tell me what the number is. You do not need to talk, you just need to lay there and breathe. I will do my protocols and get you pain free, period. I may ask you questions as you begin to get some relief. Trust me, for those few cases I see, I act as if it's objective because if I let a patient having an MI tell me "no it's okay" they may die.

Women are so bad about this... they have chest pain and want to do any number of things, including go have a BM, instead of get relief.

For me, I like to try and assume I haven't felt the worst pain imaginable yet. There are about three things that rank at the top together, so far: a really bad kidney stone (the kind that blocks and causes pyelo), the dentist hitting a nerve without enough anesthetic in place, and the metatarsal/phalangeal joints of my big toes when they decide to hurt for no reason. I am sure there is a reason but never would I have thought my toes would hurt like a kidney stone. And yet it is utterly embarrassing for me to admit to a doctor that my toes hurt, especially since they haven't been cut off or anything.

I like the idea of comfort goals. I may start using that.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.

I had surgery this afternoon. When I arrived in the pre-op area, the nurse handed me a piece of paper with the Wong "Faces" scale -- those cute little faces -- and asked me about pain. I have chronic knee pain, and I've always had a lot of difficulty rating my pain on a 1-10 scale. Those little faces made it possible for perhaps the first time to definitely say "It's a 3 right now". I'm going to be suggesting we incorporate that into our practice on our unit!

Specializes in Adult/Ped Emergency and Trauma.

Ruby Vee, It's great to hear from you, I hope you feel well. Sorry you had to go under the knife so close to the Holidays- but I hope it makes a world of difference for you and Godspeed in recovery!!:)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!