How Would You Rate Your Pain????

How would you rate your pain???? As nurses, how many times have we asked that? Have you ever really thought about what you are asking and what the answer might mean? Have you ever had to give an answer to that question yourself? Just what does it mean to you? If you've even been forced to use a pain scale, you may have noticed some of its inadequacies. Nurses General Nursing Article

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I was with a friend recently who was awaiting a craniotomy. We were in the OR holding area when the nurse came in and asked him "How would you rate your pain on a scale of zero to ten with zero being no pain and ten being the worst possible pain you could imagine?"

Now my friend has a sense of humor, however at this moment he was definitely not trying to be funny when he tried to give his answer. He was very perplexed.

"What do you mean? How would I rate my pain? I am not having any pain right now. Why are you asking me that now?" he asked.

She showed him the pain chart. You know the one. With all the little faces.

The nurse explained that they would be asking him that after surgery so they wanted to know the number he would give the level of pain he was having pre-operatively. That way they would have a baseline for his pain, making it easier to find appropriate treatment to manage the pain.

Now I don't know about you....but that would be confusing for me too had I not been a nurse. I might think the pain I am or am not having right now has no affect on the pain I probably will be having post-operatively.

We all know that pain is subjective, which makes it difficult for anyone but you to know how you feel. What I might rate as a 5, someone else may rate as a 7 or 3.

The subjectivity of pain may also make it difficult for doctors and nurses to determine whether or not pain medications are effectively treating your pain.

Pain scales are meant to provide a more objective method to measure pain and let the healthcare team know the severity of the symptoms. When asked how they rate their pain on a scale of zero to ten, with ten being the worst possible pain they can imagine, most people will base their answer on the type of pain they have experienced throughout their lifetime. Some people have had the good fortune to not have experienced severe pain. Their point of reference will be quite different from someone who has experienced natural childbirth, kidney stones, nerve damage, etc.

Some people are used to living with chronic pain of a daily basis. If they say their pain is only a 6 or 7, it doesn't mean they are not hurting. Also, just because they are trying to be optimistic and are laughing and joking doesn't mean they are not hurting.

Some people worry that if they don't give the answer that appropriately reflects their pain, they will not get the proper treatment. Therefore, some patients may tend to rank their pain higher than it really is just to assure they will get medication. (Of course we know patients who purposely create or magnify their pain in order to get pain meds. But that is an entire topic all of its own.)

The friend I mentioned at the beginning of this article told me about a video which is a very humorous depiction of one comedian's experience with the pain rating scale. It is quite amusing. Enjoy!!

Emergency Room Humor

After watching this video, I am afraid I might have to stifle a laugh or a smile when asking this question. We all know that pain is no laughing matter. It is real and is difficult to measure.

Viktor Frankl made this statement in his book, Mans Search for Meaning, which aptly portrays the effect of pain and suffering:

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"To draw an analogy: a man's suffering is similar to the behavior of gas. If a certain quantity of gas is pumped into an empty chamber, it will fill the chamber completely and evenly, no matter how big the chamber. Thus suffering completely fills the human soul and conscious mind, no matter whether the suffering is great or little. Therefore the "size" of human suffering is absolutely relative."

To read more articles, such as When Nurses Cry, and I am Afraid. Please Pray for Me, go to my AN blog: Body, Mind, and Soul

I'm a man... I have NO emotional pain ;)

Very funny! how would you rate your E-pain? (internet pain)

You say you are a man, but I just watched "Catfish," so I'm skeptical!

I hate the 'faces' scale.......it's demeaning when you're dealing with adults. Not really a fan of the 0-10 scale either, especially when working with the elderly---a lot of times they really can't put a number on their discomfort. For that matter, neither can I; kidney-stone pain is the gold standard against which I compare every other kind of pain, and that is a 10 and then some! Nothing else compares, not post-op pain, not chronic arthritis pain, not even childbirth (although that last one was probably a 9.5). OTOH, I hurt every day of my life, yet I probably wouldn't rate it as more than a 3 while someone else might rate it as a 5 or 6. It's all relative.....and thus, not very accurate. :sneaky:

It's definitely not accurate when dealing with the elderly. Even if they are able to understand, I've noticed that a lot of elderly people (especially men) don't like to "complain." So, they'll say they're not having any pain when they clearly are. I've also had a lot of elderly people say that they "don't wanna take DRUGS."

I had this discussion with an RN when I was working as an intern. This poor man just looked like he was in excrutiating pain from his facial expressions, etc., and when I told the nurse she said, "Oh, he said he's not having any pain." Of course, I was just an intern (about 10 years older than this new nurse who never had a job before) so what did I know.

Luckily, the man's son showed up very shortly after and almost immediately asked if his father could have something for pain. Thank goodness.

The thing that annoys me most about the pain scale is that it doesn't account for how different pains are more or less tolerable. Ankle pain that's the same intensity as back pain is more tolerable to me than the back pain. The back pain is more tolerable than the head pain. Least tolerable pain for me? Sinus pressure in my teeth. Even if it's really only a "2" I'd like full anesthesia knock out when I've got it going on.

In peds, I FLACC everyone that I can get away with FLACCing. Or OPS. FACES is ridiculous. Even for kids. All the pain scales are ridiculous, because you can't make something as subjective as pain into an objective number.

Do you hurt? Lot or a little? Tolerable or do you need medicine?

That's all the "scale" we really need. Too bad that's not considered "objective" but "Pick a random number/picture" is considered objective.

Specializes in Pediatric Private Duty; Camp Nursing.

My husband has severe RA and describes some of his worse pain as if someone took a blowtorch to his ankle. However he is so used the steady, chronic pain and he is not the type of person to complain, so every time he went to his rheumatologist he'd say 3-5, so they didn't really pay much attention to his need for pain relief. Every time he'd come home empty-handed for a better pain med scrip and I'd flip out. Now I've instructed him to give a 7 or 8 so they'd take him seriously. On bad days, his FLACC looks like he's popping out a kid!

Specializes in pediatrics; PICU; NICU.

I don't think I ever had "real" pain until a year ago when the symptoms of RA started. Now I have pain every day. When I was in the hospital over the summer, the nurses asked me constantly to rate my pain. I told them my knee pain is always at least a 5. They kept pushing me to take something for it but I told them I live with that degree of pain every day & as long as I'm able to function I'm not going to take pain meds because I hate how they make me feel. Like someone else said, pain is relative.

Specializes in Adult/Ped Emergency and Trauma.

The pain that is experienced "now" is always "worse" because it's "now." Who wants to think about past pain when your in pain "now." This is like my dad asking faithfully (to gross us out) after finishing a large meal, "Hey, y'all want a Hardee's Burger?" Same difference.

As for the faces, many cultures mask their pain, some are open, I think we mask 1-5 here, (but you, and all your colleagues will be aware of 7-8+), i.e. "Terms of Endearment- Scene: Give her the damn shot!! (While Shirley "Ms. Greenbrier" McClain chases the Nurses around the desk), because Debra Wenger is having Cancer associated breakthrough pain.

Movies like that and "My Sisters Keeper" should have warning stickers on box- but that's another thread!!:(

HA!!! OK, Ntheboat2... I never heard of "Catfish" until I just looked it up on wiki right now, but (RESOUNDING!!!) "YES!", I am in fact a man. A fairly solid (though not completeley lol) 5'9" 215 pound MAN who is the quintessential MAAAAAAAN. And "NO," I have no emotional pain for this same reason. That reason being that I am a man.

But seriously, I think a far better tool for measuring pain is the questionnaire given to pt's. I mean, if someone checks off "No" to the question asking if they can brush their teeth without the pain interfering with it to the point of disallowing it, I would imagine that this would be an indicator of some serious pain. For a baseline, I can describe the pain that has made me check "No" to this box, but it would only make sense to the ALLNURSER's that have had a bad back spasm at some point. Here it goes;

Ok, do you know how when a really bad back spasm hits, how if the pain was graphed it would be a steep (near verticle) upward climb to the peak, followed by a slooooow decent to the baseline? Well, for me it happens with a slight difference-The "Peak" is actually a plateau that last from several weeks to several months. I'm not exaggerating, either. During these plateaus, even simple movements like making a fist or simple hand gestures sends pain shooting through my entire body. And moving my legs... "OH SWEETLORD!!!!"

This is what it takes to get me to seek medical attention. Because again, Ntheboat2, I'm a MAN! But yes, it sucks lol.

Specializes in urology, pediatrics, med-surg.

If I feel that the number pain rating I'm getting (say from an elderly patient) doesn't mesh with what I'm seeing, I'll FLACC them, while also making a note of the number they rated it. I also do this on occasion with that patient that rates their pain a 10 while giggling on the cell phone and painting their nails.:sarcastic:

HA!!! OK, Ntheboat2... I never heard of "Catfish" until I just looked it up on wiki right now, but (RESOUNDING!!!) "YES!", I am in fact a man. A fairly solid (though not completeley lol) 5'9" 215 pound MAN who is the quintessential MAAAAAAAN. And "NO," I have no emotional pain for this same reason. That reason being that I am a man.

But seriously, I think a far better tool for measuring pain is the questionnaire given to pt's. I mean, if someone checks off "No" to the question asking if they can brush their teeth without the pain interfering with it to the point of disallowing it, I would imagine that this would be an indicator of some serious pain. For a baseline, I can describe the pain that has made me check "No" to this box, but it would only make sense to the ALLNURSER's that have had a bad back spasm at some point. Here it goes;

Ok, do you know how when a really bad back spasm hits, how if the pain was graphed it would be a steep (near verticle) upward climb to the peak, followed by a slooooow decent to the baseline? Well, for me it happens with a slight difference-The "Peak" is actually a plateau that last from several weeks to several months. I'm not exaggerating, either. During these plateaus, even simple movements like making a fist or simple hand gestures sends pain shooting through my entire body. And moving my legs... "OH SWEETLORD!!!!"

This is what it takes to get me to seek medical attention. Because again, Ntheboat2, I'm a MAN! But yes, it sucks lol.

You might wanna keep all that crying to yourself when going for a pre employment physical :roflmao:

(It's descent, not decent to the baseline btw) So, how was the litter-chore? :cool:

Specializes in Adult/Ped Emergency and Trauma.

Omg, I have been spelling that wrong all my life too:(

On that other great point, a 10/10 painting toe nails and giggling on phone- I document that because these are the same ones that will fill out the questionnaire and always put their pain was not managed well.

This is as bad as the patient who says, "Could you bring me two grape juices, two packs of graham crackers, and two peanut butters,....oh! And is it time for my nausea medicine?" (Working on a bag of chips and a dill pickle with chocolate milk). No, I checked, lab said she wasn't pregnant:)

It's no good asking what someone's pain is unless you've established what their comfort goal is. If their pain is a 3, but their comfort goal is a 1, you need to be giving pain meds. I think the comfort goal works really well with chronic pain sufferers. When I introduce the pain and comfort scales, I actually use the hyperbole and a half scale: " What would you rate your pain right now on a scale of 0-10, with 0 being no pain, and 10 being actively mauled by a bear type of pain?" "And for a comfort goal, on a scale of 0-10, at what number would you feel decently comfortable, like you don't need any additional pain medication?"

If you don't know their comfort goal, you don't know how to medicate them. And frankly, with all the obvious confusion on pain, even if someone says they are at a 3, and their goal is a 2, I still let them know what they have available and discuss what they want to bring their pain down lower. Like a new post op, I'm NEVER going to give them just a tylenol unless they really do just want that, even if their pain is only one or two points away from their comfort goal. Soon to be discharged pts are going to receive a discussion regarding home pain control if they are insisting upon something IV, as well. Big picture, and all that.

Specializes in LTC, medsurg.

What bugs me is when a pt says their pain is. 10/10 and theyre sitting up in bed talking on telephone normally. To me, a 10 is crying sobbing or something other than carrying on normal conversation. I know what a 10 feels like and I sure wasn't able to have a phone convo. :/