Published Sep 2, 2005
IMustBeCrazy
439 Posts
How do you handle cares for patients that are known troublemakers? I have bumped into this recently. Add in the mix any sort of known behavioral problem and it seems 10x worse. Management knows that these people are quick to write up nurses over ridiculous things, but yet they don't seem to step in to politely reorient the patient to reality.
So, the question is, how do you deal with patients like this without compromising your license each day? Part of me wants to say to management "you deal with them then", but of course that would not go over nor ever happen.
Thoughts?
Thunderwolf, MSN, RN
3 Articles; 6,621 Posts
Be polite and business like.
Do not enter into arguements or provide remarks that marr your professionalism.
Document objectively the patient/visitor/family behavior as well as your own actions.
No subjective charting.
HIPPA.
caroladybelle, BSN, RN
5,486 Posts
Document, Document, Document.
canoehead, BSN, RN
6,901 Posts
If anyone threatens me with a suit, or with calling management I have a stock response that hasn't failed me yet. I just tell them I would welcome the chance to tell a judge (or whoever) exactly what has happened. Make sure you use the emphasis, and say it confidently. A follow up would include saying that the chart will reflect exactly what happened, in detail. No one has called my bluff, but then again it's the real turkeys that threaten the nurse to her face, and they back off quickly.
When called into management you should have the standards of care for your specialty in hand, or for the hospital. I have also been in that situation, and it doesn't matter who got bent out of shape, if you are polite (though simmering underneath) and you follow the standards and can document it point by point, you are golden.
Of course in some areas the hospital can discipline you for the color of your chewing gum, but they will look really dumb. Sometimes thats all the consolation you are going to get. If you did right hold your head high.
Cute_CNA, CNA
475 Posts
Try to find an area you agree upon, no matter how small. You don't have to agree with their whole argument to find common ground.
Rephrase what they just said to you, to show that you're listening. Say stuff like, "I understand you're upset right now. It sounds like x, y, and z are bothering you."
When they are agitated, stay calm. Hopefully it will rub off onto them.
USA987, MSN, RN, NP
824 Posts
No one has called my bluff, but then again it's the real turkeys that threaten the nurse to her face, and they back off quickly.
That is so true!!!
DusktilDawn
1,119 Posts
Alot of good suggestions from the other posters. I definately like Canoehead's style.
When it comes to documentation I would like to add that statements such as "noncompliant", "uncooperative", "hostile", etc sound like personal judgments you've made against the person. If your documentation comes across as if you didn't like the person, it is not a far leap for someone to conclude that if you didn't like the person then you probably didn't provide them with good care. Be explicit and as objective as possible. For instance if the patient refuses to listen to health teaching, "pt stated 'You are an idiot and don't know what your talking about.' Pt then turned the volume up loudly on TV and turned his face away."
Avoid any action that makes you look unprofessional. Never stoop to their level. Once you succumb to anger, you've already lost control of the situation.
rn/writer, RN
9 Articles; 4,168 Posts
This is sooo important. I would also encourage you to keep your own private account of anything dicey. In your own notes, you can add references and info that you would NEVER put in a chart.
Miranda
SmilingBluEyes
20,964 Posts
Be polite and business like.Do not enter into arguements or provide remarks that marr your professionalism.Document objectively the patient/visitor/family behavior as well as your own actions.No subjective charting.HIPPA.
excellent advice.
hrtprncss
421 Posts
You can always look forward to the end of your shift, and when you're done you can request not to have the same patient the next day. Most charge nurses and fellow nurses would understand. Some patients just responds better to other nurses.
Great advice all, thanks! I like Canoehead's direct and honest style. I need to incorporate that line in these situations.
Comment on keeping a personal diary, I was taught *never* to do that and to chart it all (objectively) in the chart. Even if the diary is kept under lock and key in your work locker and never leaves the institution, legal nurse consultants have stated that any discrepancies between your diary and what is in the chart can raise reasonable doubt in a court trial.
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IMBC
Great advice all, thanks! I like Canoehead's direct and honest style. I need to incorporate that line in these situations.Comment on keeping a personal diary, I was taught *never* to do that and to chart it all (objectively) in the chart. Even if the diary is kept under lock and key in your work locker and never leaves the institution, legal nurse consultants have stated that any discrepancies between your diary and what is in the chart can raise reasonable doubt in a court trial. IMBC
Comment on keeping a personal diary, I was taught *never* to do that and to chart it all (objectively) in the chart. Even if the diary is kept under lock and key in your work locker and never leaves the institution, legal nurse consultants have stated that any discrepancies between your diary and what is in the chart can raise reasonable doubt in a court trial. IMBC
Oh my gosh, You don't keep a personal diary anywhere near work! You keep it well-hidden at home for your own private use. Because of HIPPA, you don't use names but with dates and detailed descriptions, you should be able to identify anyone who came after you legally. This is not something you tell people about. If a defense attorney knew it existed, he could get a subpeona for it.
So why keep such a journal? Because charts take time to resurrect and may not jog your memory the way your own personal notes would.
I learned to do this as an EMT and, while I personally have never been to court over a past call, I know others who have. We've been encouraged to go home and immediately write down anything we can remember about those calls that felt funny or had some unusual character to them, and to add details as they came back to us. My colleagues who have been summoned as either witnesses or defendants have been so glad they had these notes to refer to. Run sheets (the EMS version of charting) can be kind of bloodless (pardon the pun), but personal notes have a way of putting you back in the moment. Oh yeah, this was the guy who smelled like garlic and kept cussing out his wife on the way to the hospital. A few well-chosen words can bring it all back.