How can I gracefully and tactfully say No?

ixchel · May 20, 2012

In today's world if the cheaters were a different race than the teacher, The teacher could catch these people red handed, he could have video and audio of them cheating he could have Jesus and the Twelve Apostles and the whole Roman Army see them and swear that they where cheating. But the students were minority, or they knew a local politician, or a member of the American Civil rights group or anyone of the idiot pressure groups. The teacher is up you know what creek without a paddle. That is why today Johnny can't read.As an example, my niece mention to her Science teacher the fact that she is related to Madame Curie. The teacher look at her and asked who Madame Curie was. My ten year old niece had to explain that she was the woman that did research in radioactivity. I mean if Tally said that she was related to Maria Sklodowska I could see but Madame Curie! Even I as dumb as I am knows who Madame Curie was! So what was this thread about again?

Merlyn, I adore you. No joke! I see you are the last poster at times and read the thread just to see what's up.

I did a power point on Mme Curie last year and that poor woman had as much drama in her life as any celebrity today. What a life she had!

tothepointeLVN, LVN · May 20, 2012

Please know that I do respect your opinion. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one :) I know in some situations I get my moral compass set to prude. lol

It's not right. He doesn't think so either. But incidentally it's only his night classes that have this unique problem. Second career adults who can't afford to fail both literally and figuratively that use cheating as a coping mechanism straight out the gate. It's an interesting problem / mindset. But exist it does so something to be aware of.

Merlyn · May 21, 2012

Thank you, ixchel for your kind words. A little trivia Madame Curie's lab is still off limits. It is that radioactive.

pongtipRN · May 25, 2012

Hi, OP here. Just an update: today was the first day I've seen the woman, she said hello but did not ask me for anything. I found out later that she has someone in our group DOING HER CAREPLAN FOR HER, with the excuse that she forgot the password to her computer, therefore she couldn't do her care plan. So essentially she has this other girl "typing" it for her, but really doing it for her. I don't understand how people can get away with this and still be able to lay their head on their pillow at night. Such a shame.

PrayToTheUnicorn · May 25, 2012

If you care at all about the program you're in and the school's reputation, you'll report it confidentially to the instructor.

pongtipRN · May 25, 2012

Honestly, I have no desire to get involved. The other student doing the care plan is also a grown woman, who can make her own decisions. If she wants to do the care plan for her, let her be. I have nothing to do with the situation. As long as my behind is safe and I know that my care plan IS ORIGINAL, I have no worries. I rest my head at night knowing that I do my own work and am proud to put my name on it. So, NO, I will not be reporting it to the instructor.

HolyPeas · May 26, 2012

oh no you most certainly do have something to worry about PPLPN, if you know someone is cheating off you or allow someone to cheat off your work, YOU ARE ALSO RESPONSIBLE.

pongtipRN · May 26, 2012

Holypeas, please read the entire thread before commenting. The woman asked me for my work, I DID NOT GIVE IT TO HER. She asked around and got someone to DO HER CARE PLAN FOR HER. So no, I don't have anything to worry about, thankyouverymuch.

Merlyn · May 26, 2012

Honestly, I have no desire to get involved. The other student doing the care plan is also a grown woman, who can make her own decisions. If she wants to do the care plan for her, let her be. I have nothing to do with the situation. As long as my behind is safe and I know that my care plan IS ORIGINAL, I have no worries. I rest my head at night knowing that I do my own work and am proud to put my name on it. So, NO, I will not be reporting it to the instructor.

And what would happen if the cheater is not caught and she gets a higher mark than you. Will you still say at least my care plan is Original. What if this person is not caught,goes all through nursing school, lucks out on the state boards and causes the death of a patient. Don't think that it can't happen because I have personally seen it. And it was all because, the numerous times that she cheated in school no one turned her in. You are too nice and too forgiving. Do you think that if the roles where reversed she would hesitate to turn you in. Hopefully your instructor is on the ball and this person is caught. If not, let us pray.

I am sorry for the tone of this post but I have seen too many medical screw ups. I don't want to see any more

pongtipRN · May 26, 2012

Cheaters come a dime a dozen. It happens everyday, everywhere, it may be happening right under your own nose, whether you like it or not. If she's not caught, and she gets a higher mark than me, it WILL COME BACK TO HER, some way some how. Whether it be on an exam, care plan, however. She may not be so lucky next semester to find a sucker to do her care plan for her. Cheaters never get ahead.

Yes, I think I am too nice and too forgiving, but I like to think of those as positive traits. :nurse: . I refuse to get involved with someone else's poor choices. If the other student that's doing the care plan for her can't stand up for herself and say no, exactly what will I be reporting to the instructor? That the student asked to have my care plan? As methodical as she is, she will probably just say she wanted to use it as a guide. Now she went and asked someone to do it FOR her, and they agreed to do it. Not my problem. The other student willingly agreed to do it. Am I supposed to swoop in like SuperWoman and righteously cry "Cheater! Cheater!" ? I will be the one looking like an idiot.

Yup, my care plan is original, NO ONE has it, and it's damn good too. It goes into my folder at the end of the semester, and I'm surely proud of it too, as I am every semester. Thanks for the positivity.

Merlyn · May 26, 2012

Cheaters come a dime a dozen. It happens everyday, everywhere, it may be happening right under your own nose, whether you like it or not. If she's not caught, and she gets a higher mark than me, it WILL COME BACK TO HER, some way some how. Whether it be on an exam, care plan, however. She may not be so lucky next semester to find a sucker to do her care plan for her. Cheaters never get ahead.
Yes, I think I am too nice and too forgiving, but I like to think of those as positive traits. . I refuse to get involved with someone else's poor choices. If the other student that's doing the care plan for her can't stand up for herself and say no, exactly what will I be reporting to the instructor? That the student asked to have my care plan? As methodical as she is, she will probably just say she wanted to use it as a guide. Now she went and asked someone to do it FOR her, and they agreed to do it. Not my problem. The other student willingly agreed to do it. Am I supposed to swoop in like SuperWoman and righteously cry "Cheater! Cheater!" ? I will be the one looking like an idiot.
Yup, my care plan is original, NO ONE has it, and it's damn good too. It goes into my folder at the end of the semester, and I'm surely proud of it too, as I am every semester. Thanks for the positivity.

Sorry for the tone of the post. Memorial Day makes me crazy. Flashbacks of the Great State of Louisiana. I start seeing Cajuns and hearing banjo music. Sorry.

unleish05 · May 26, 2012

Well at least you have one less thing to worry about if somebody else chose to do her work for her. and like you said..."not your problem" :)