House and Senate Democrats introduce legeslation to increase federal min. wage to $15/hr by 2025

guest1163268 · Feb 6, 2021

29 minutes ago, Beerman said:

I don't recall seeing that post. Maybe you could include the reply I made to it?

I wish I had paid more attention to that MIT calculator. It actually helps me make my main point.

If you feel my arguments are insincere, I invite you to ignore them. As I said, that's what I often do. So, no hard feeling from me if that's what you choose to do.

Once again, my apologies for illiciting such a emotional reaction with my words. It seems those emotions are coloring your ability to interpret my posts.

I think people should ignore your posts because they are practically schizophrenic. But then hypocrisy is your political motto. You are so republican and trumpist. You change your statements from one sentence to another so quickly. It's impossible to follow your thread.

toomuchbaloney · Feb 6, 2021

32 minutes ago, Beerman said:

I don't recall seeing that post. Maybe you could include the reply I made to it?

I wish I had paid more attention to that MIT calculator. It actually helps me make my main point.

If you feel my arguments are insincere, I invite you to ignore them. As I said, that's what I often do. So, no hard feeling from me if that's what you choose to do.

Once again, my apologies for illiciting such a emotional reaction with my words. It seems those emotions are coloring your ability to interpret my posts.

Of course.

When one doesn't have facts, baseline knowledge or actual interest in the topic or responses, ignores provided facts to ask the same questions over and over, and then makes generalized but negative characterizations about the intentions of others after claiming personal offense to the comments in the thread it might be true that the individual isn't really interested in a discussion.

Beerman, BSN · Feb 6, 2021

32 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:

I think people should ignore your posts because they are practically schizophrenic. But then hypocrisy is your political motto. You are so republican and trumpist. You change your statements from one sentence to another so quickly. It's impossible to follow your thread.

I don't doubt you find it difficult to follow my posts.

As I said to another, no hard feelings from me if you or anyone else wishes to ignore my posts.

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toomuchbaloney · Feb 6, 2021

President Biden is realistic that his desired minimum wage increase won't survive this reconciliation. He's at peace with that.

guest1163268 · Feb 6, 2021

5 hours ago, Beerman said:

I don't doubt you find it difficult to follow my posts.

As I said to another, no hard feelings from me if you or anyone else wishes to ignore my posts.

Now that's illogical! You've posted, why should we ignore it? Because it differs from our point of view?

MunoRN, RN · Feb 6, 2021

20 hours ago, Beerman said:

Perfect. According to the MIT calculator, a single parent with one kid needs $25-35 an hour to make a "liveable wage" depending on location.

Let's say its $30 where you are. One of your college students decides to quit school and make a career at your restaurant. He/she ends up with a kid. At what point do you give them that big raise to a "liveable wage" to do the same job they did for $17?

And, I am aware your tipped employees make great hourly, but only 5 hours a day. If they make $150 a day, and work 5 days a week, that's $39k a year. Sounds good to me for that job, but not a "liveable wage" for someone with children. That translates to $19 an hour for a 40 hour work week.

I'm not sure where you're getting that I said someone should be paid more solely because they have a kid, I've said the opposite of that a couple of times. What a minimum wage should do is make a livable wage with children reasonably attainable at some point. Like many if not most employers, I view different positions not as being worth a straight dollar amount, but base plus $x. When the base is $7.25, no amount of hard work and advancement is likely to get a workers to that point.

So to answer your question, I don't give a raise because an employee has a kid, but if they chose to do so they can typically move up to a tipped position in anywhere from a few months to almost a year.

I don't think I've ever supported the idea that someone working one hour a week should make the same as someone working 40. For some employees, it makes more sense to work less and not have to pay for childcare, which is something the MIT calculator takes into account. For those that want to work more our shifts start between 3:30 and as late as 6:00, leaving plenty of time add additional hours during the day, and I have a staffing collaboration with two other restaurants in town that are both only open for breakfast and lunch.

MunoRN, RN · Feb 6, 2021

20 hours ago, Beerman said:

I'm not sure where you got that. I've only argued that the govt shouldn't mandate what a business pays. Most businesses, at least successful ones, know that treating employees well is good for their business. The fact that raising the minimum wage to $15 would only benefit 10% of the working population speaks to that.

I would disagree that increasing the federal minimum wage can be accurately described as the government mandating what a business pays, it's the government mandating that the government shouldn't be responsible for paying a businesses costs at the level they are now. I don't expect the federal government to pay the cost of my new oven, so why should the government (taxpayers) have to pay the costs of Walmart's employees by supplementing their pay to the tune $6.2 billion per year. 70% of those who receive federal assistance work full time, that's not acceptable.

For some reason the actual numbers on how many workers make less than $15 varies widely, but the lowest reported number is that just over 10% of American workers make less than $15/hr, but even that estimate points out that it would not just be workers making less than $15/hr would benefit since employers would typically need to adjust wages for those making close to $15 to keep them above base pay.

guest1163268 · Feb 7, 2021

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When Bosses Shared Their Profits!

Profit-sharing fit perfectly with the evolution of the American corporation. By the 1950s, most employees of large companies had spent their entire working lives with the company. Companies and their employees were rooted in the same communities.

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When Bosses Shared Their ProfitsOver a third of private-sector workers were unionized. In 1958 the United Auto Workers demanded that the nation’s automakers share their profits with their workers.

Beerman, BSN · Feb 7, 2021

15 hours ago, MunoRN said:

I'm not sure where you're getting that I said someone should be paid more solely because they have a kid, I've said the opposite of that a couple of times. What a minimum wage should do is make a livable wage with children reasonably attainable at some point. Like many if not most employers, I view different positions not as being worth a straight dollar amount, but base plus $x. When the base is $7.25, no amount of hard work and advancement is likely to get a workers to that point.

So to answer your question, I don't give a raise because an employee has a kid, but if they chose to do so they can typically move up to a tipped position in anywhere from a few months to almost a year.

I don't think I've ever supported the idea that someone working one hour a week should make the same as someone working 40. For some employees, it makes more sense to work less and not have to pay for childcare, which is something the MIT calculator takes into account. For those that want to work more our shifts start between 3:30 and as late as 6:00, leaving plenty of time add additional hours during the day, and I have a staffing collaboration with two other restaurants in town that are both only open for breakfast and lunch.

You didn't say it in those words. But, isn't your stance that a business should pay enough to keep its employees off of public assistance? So, if the wage to meet the cost of living for a single parent is $30 per hour, isn't that what you should be paying, regardless of what the job is? Otherwise, the govt is subsidizing your business. You've been pretty clear and consistent on that.

MunoRN, RN · Feb 9, 2021

On 2/7/2021 at 6:27 AM, Beerman said:

You didn't say it in those words. But, isn't your stance that a business should pay enough to keep its employees off of public assistance? So, if the wage to meet the cost of living for a single parent is $30 per hour, isn't that what you should be paying, regardless of what the job is? Otherwise, the govt is subsidizing your business. You've been pretty clear and consistent on that.

I think I've said a couple times before that I don't think the base wage has to be sufficient to support a family with kids, but it needs to be within reach of a livable wage with kids through hard work and advancement. I'm OK with relatively rare and limited use of support, but not as a common way of supplementing wages for the majority of your employees.

If what you're arguing is that a $15 minimum wage isn't anywhere near generous enough, then no, I would disagree.

Beerman, BSN · Feb 9, 2021

52 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

I think I've said a couple times before that I don't think the base wage has to be sufficient to support a family with kids, but it needs to be within reach of a livable wage with kids through hard work and advancement. I'm OK with relatively rare and limited use of support, but not as a common way of supplementing wages for the majority of your employees.

If what you're arguing is that a $15 minimum wage isn't anywhere near generous enough, then no, I would disagree.

I think we pretty much agree. Where I differ, is that I don't think the staring point matters much.

For example, a cashier at McDonald's may start at $15 an hour, but that person is never going to make $30+ doing the same job. That job is only worth so much to the employer. A cashier has a ceiling as to their skill is of value to the employer. No matter how good they are, they will never be worth twice as much as a $15 hour cashier.

The cashier can work hard, and advance. In most companies, with a promotion to a new role comes a new salary or wage. It even sounds like that's what you do. The wage at the starting position is irrelevant. For example, a nurse is promoted to a manager. The management position provides a new starting manager salary. What she/ he was making as a staff nurse does not matter.