Hospitals Firing Seasoned Nurses: Nurses FIGHT Back!

Facilities are firing seasoned, higher paid nurses and utilizing younger less experienced nurses. This cost-cutting measure is putting patients at risk, working nursing and support staff to the point of exhaustion, and causing staff to leave the profession. Nurses General Nursing Article

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This article was written by a member on allnurses. Due to the controversial and emotionally charged nature of the article, the member wanted the topic out in the open so nurses could discuss it. Because she is afraid of retribution if any of her hospital administrative staff should read this article and link it back to her, we offered to publish it for her anonymously. Please add your comments regarding this issue negatively impacting nurses and the healthcare system.

An Open Letter to Hospital Administrators

I am an experienced nurse that has watched many of my very talented colleagues leave the bedside due to the changes that have taken place in healthcare as of late. I have seen staff cut to the minimum, while patient acuity and nurse to patient ratios increase. I have seen support staff break down in tears because they have not been able to do their jobs properly. I have seen staff pushed to their breaking point, all the while administration stays in their offices, or in the meetings, determining yet more ways they can cut our resources. I see your salaries raised to ridiculous amounts, while we are denied cost of living increases, housekeeping is cut at night, and our benefits cost more, while the services are decreased.

I see our retirement cut while at the same time, the amount matched continues to be diminished or non-existent.

I see ways in which we are constantly blamed for declining patient satisfaction, increased patient falls, late medication administration, all the while we are asked to do more with less. I have seen you fire experienced staff and hire less experienced, cheaper, staff. I have seen that new staff break down because they have no resources, no experience to draw from and I have seen patients suffer from that inexperience. I have seen codes increase, inappropriate admissions to floors, transfers to higher levels of care, all because no one was there initially to advocate for a higher level of care for the patient, to begin with.

I still see you in your office. I do not see you on the floor. I see you with your graphs, your pie charts, your questions about readmission rates when I had already advocated for that patient to stay longer but was simply laughed off by doctors and not supported by you. Yet, somehow, I need to be on a committee to fix the problem.

I am now required to work extra shifts, because staff are getting sick due to stress, or leaving completely because they are tired of dealing with things. I see you develop a culture of fear, where our jobs are at stake and threatened at every turn. Yet, you still look to me for solutions.

"How can we do more with what we have?" I am asked.

My answer: There is no way to do more. We are at our limit. You are losing nurses as fast as you are gaining them, at a time when we need to be building up our profession when the baby boomers are just starting to become a factor in our healthcare environment.

My answer to this is simple. It is time to get real and start valuing your employees. If you want to be reimbursed for patient satisfaction, increase your services. Staff departments with what they need - enough nurses, enough aids, monitor techs, secretaries, ED techs, whatever. Then you will see positive results. Falls will decrease. Medication errors will decrease and medications will be given on time. Patients will get the treatment they deserve and patient satisfaction scores will improve. Your reimbursement will improve and you will stop losing money. Everyone wins: most importantly, the patients.

We need to stop the assembly-line mentality of medicine and return to the service mentality.

Yes, we are a business. But any business that has ever done well has not done well by decreasing the services to people or by mistreating its staff. Otherwise, healthcare facilities are going to see more of the same and suffer more financial penalties, less high-quality staff, and patients will suffer.

I was talking with several of my colleagues just the other day. All of us had many years of experience. Many had been at the bedside for over 20+ years. Many are leaving the bedside due to the unsafe conditions they are seeing. They just don't want to be a part of it. Perhaps this does not scare you, but it should. You must not be a patient yet.

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Specializes in Infection Control, Med/Surg, LTC.

"I was told that if I wanted a BSN; with all the coursework I had completed already, it should only be a few upper level nursing courses. When I looked into it, I found that schools wanted anywhere from 10-15 courses at costs of $11,000 - $25,000. When I looked at curriculums, I saw courses such as Theories of Nursing, Sociology of Nursing, Leadership and Ethics. All of this was incorporated into my diploma program and nothing new that had no bearing on patient care, I didn't see the purpose of taking on another student loan debt at age 50 to write nonsense papers in APA format at a cost of up to $25,000. Now, if RN-BSN programs consisted of some upper level courses on topics such as; how to recognize early signs of sepsis, new wound care techniques, how to prevent the progression of heart disease and diabetes, how to treat and possibly prevent mental deterioration in the elderly or anything else that can actually be of benefit to people, that would be a different story."

I am a diploma nursing school graduate circa 1973. Worked in nursing until last year when I took early retirement due to being riffed like all the old, top of the payscale nurses at all the local hospitals. I've put in numerous applications with not one call back. Why? They can hire a new, wet behind the ears BSN for less than they need to pay me for my experience. I went back to school right after graduation for my BSN. One class at a time while working full time. Got all those useless prelims out of the way (English, Am. Lit, etc).

Applied to the local university for the BSN program (also where all my 99 credit hours and my 3.0 grade average resided) and was told my credits were too old! When did English grammar change? Is a semicolon no longer used? How the hell did these courses change? In addition, they would not offer any credit hours for my years of nursing experience (at the time I was the Director of Infection Control/Employee Health, a position I held for 19 years - I was riffed in 2008 when a merger occurred and most department managers in both facilities were turfed). This meant taking organic/inorganic chemistry, A&P, and all that crap over again. I was in my 50's! No to the BSN and accompanying debt.

Oh, and the IC/EH position is now TWO separate positions (I did BOTH and worked 4 days a week) AND is STILL being advertised for 7 years later!

avengingspirit---

1.) I agree.

2.) I agree.

3.) I agree.

As I have said before, healthcare is circling the drain & sooner or later, it's going down. If nurses are expected to act professionally, they must be treated like professionals. We all can agree that nurses are not treated well, not paid well, expected to police the doctors & everyone else that works in the facility, & overworked to the point of exhaustion & risky patient care. Sh** rolls downhill, and unfortunately nurses stand at the bottom.

That is ridiculous. The only thing I can say is that YES, the English language has changed---from people that used to know what too, two & to means and is spelled, from kids that didn't get passed on from one grade to another because of their failure to pass English grammar, to pushing kids that don't know how to speak & write properly to the next grade, from kids being able to write a coherent sentence to journalists that can't write a complete sentence in an article. The "dumbing down of America" is alive & well.

"Advanced education" is nothing more than non-essential coursework----although I don't think it is all worthless. It expands the mind, gives new perspective, makes one more "wordly". So, I don't think education is every "worthless". What I think it outrageous are the costs & the fact that nowadays, advisers don't encourage students to work hard in order to graduate sooner. The advisers actually tell students that it is okay to take more time to "explore" their options. When I was in college & grad school, I just wanted to get the hell out---I didn't want to stay longer!!!

At this point, I wouldn't pay money to get a BSN, or MSN or even a basic nursing degree. I'd learn how to do hair, because people don't think twice about dumping $350 on their hair or $100 on their acrylic nails, but balk at their co-pays when they go to their doctor's office.

avengingspirit1 said:
Your own comment was probably the stupidest thing you ever wrote and read. And judging from the way it looks, I'm sure you've had many stupid comments as runner-ups.

"The ANA endorsed President Barack Obama for re-election in this year's presidential campaign, citing his efforts to reshape the healthcare system. Increasing access to care and transforming the American healthcare system from one that focuses on illness care to a system that emphasizes prevention, wellness and care coordination have been ANA's priorities for more than two decades." (Nurse.com, June 8, 2012 p. 15) The ANA supported a law that was pushed through late Christmas Eve 2009 behaind closed doors because they wanted no one to know about it. With deductibles for ACA plans at $5000 -$6600, many can no longer afford to go to the doctor for routine checkups. The Obama administration along with the Dept. of HHS purposely inserted the 10 essential benefits knowing it would outlaw 80% of all existing plans in an effort to force people onto the exchanges with a very limited number of plans with higher deductibles, premiums and out of pocket costs. And this was after this idiot administration promised over and over again that those with plans they currently had and liked would be left alone. Lastly, the administration has claimed the ACA a success because they've reached their sign-up goals. Insurers are saying they must have double-digit premium increases because they didn't get enough signups.

The ANA and this administration are two of the most venal, prevaricating groups of people I've ever had the displeasure of knowing. The only reason the ANA was in support of the ACA because they thought it would be more money in their pockets.

Spare me. It's only been since the ACA that premium increases have even remotely been under control. I'd rather not be part of the don't get sick and die quickly crowd of supporters of the old regime.

And unless nurse unionize enmasse, we will be continue to be powerless to do anything about it.

The California Nurses Association, formed the NNOC, and have the best working conditions, pay, and benefits, in the nation.

They know and understand the meaning of the words, "there is power in numbers', as teachers have proven time and time again. Teachers get what they want because they figured out along time ago, that if they were going to be able to control their profession, they had to form powerful unions.

This was helped by the fact that teachers have a minimum educational entry into practice, starting with a four year college degree.

Nurses on the other hand , continue to have three educational pathways to practice. Even thought Diploma programs are few and far between they still exist. ADN programs are still too numerous.

And lets not forget, that the mindset of individuals who enter teaching, is much more of an assertive nature, than that of nursing.

There are still too many, "martyr marys", in nursing who drag down the profession, by their victim mindset. Get rid of them, and nursing will be alot better off.

JMHO and my NY $0.02

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN (ret)

Somewhere in the PACNW

VANurse2010 said:
Spare me. It's only been since the ACA that premium increases have even remotely been under control. I'd rather not be part of the don't get sick and die quickly crowd of supporters of the old regime.

What government-induced fantasy-land are you living in. Premium increases were between 20% - 40% for 2015. They're expected to increase to least another 20% for 2015. You and many others won't be spared when the" risk corridor" and "reinsurance" programs which have funneling billions to the insurance companies are due to end in 2017; coincidentally when this pseudo-president will be leaving office. And you still refuse to admit the fact that he lied to push it through. This is why his ratings along with all those in his administration are in the toilet.

Specializes in Wound care; CMSRN.

Well, between "avenging spirit" "LindaRN" and Nurse Diane I'm about to slit my wrists (not really; I'm actually fairly stable for a 62 yo new grad ADN, unemployed, with a shiny new license and $51,000. in loans on the horizon who's applied, interviewed and been turned down a couple dozen times since July) As far as I can tell what all of you are saying is real, and then some. Unfortunately, I have no idea what the chances of all this incredibly well informed ranting has of turning into some sort of just action on behalf of those affected.

And I have no idea, who at the age of 60, decides to embark on a brand new career, and take on $51,000 in loans.

I made an attempt at the age of 38, to try to get into Law School. I see now that it was a blessing, that I did not get in. I would have to have taken out loans to go to Law School, three years of not being able to work, (AKA no income), and then getting a job out of law school. Although, as an experienced Critical Care Nurse, I had more going for me than the average law school grad, it was still a crap shoot to attempt.

Nursing has been over sold as a profession, for the past 20 years. Individuals who are contemplating a career change, when they are already in mid life, are taking a big risk, that it would be a good idea.

I am sorry that you are not happy that I believe that Diploma Programs and the ADN, are way past due to be out to be put to rest. Recreational Therapists, have a four year Bachelors Degree as entry into practice. That is to entertain people on cruise ships, etc. And one can still enter nursing with only a Diploma?

The ONLY thing keeping them alive, is the PTB, who enjoy watching nurses delve into divide and conquer. They LOVE the idea of keeping nurses from being united under ONE educational level.

It is long past the time to make the BSN as the ONLY entry into practice. If you neglected to do your due diligence, and research your potential career choice, and the path that you would take, you have no one to blame but yourself if you are finding yourself unemployed at this stage in your life. You obviously decided to take the shorter and easier route, and you got stung.

And I say this, as originally being a Diploma Grad from NYC, back in the last Ice Age. We were still fighting the Vietnam War at the time.

I figured out in a short time that every other profession had at least a Bachelors Degree, were paid far more than nurses, were treated with far more respect.

Why do nurses think that they deserve a professional wage, to only go to school for two years? The public equates worth with education. No one would say for a minute that physicians do not deserve an above average wage. Why is that? Because they go to school for a long time, and endure several years of post graduate training, years that they are not in the workforce, earning a living. That is why. They earned it.

Nurses have to earn the above average wage with education and training, and then support organizations. (unions), to enforce our position in the hospital. If you do not want to support organizations who help you even out the playing field, come contract time, than you deserve to be paid far less than you are worth.

JMHO and my NY $0.02

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN, (ret)

Somewhere in the PACNW

Specializes in Wound care; CMSRN.

Sounds like you heard what you wanted to hear, Linda. You're making this way too personal; "I have no idea" who decides to unload on a perfect stranger on a semi public forum with little or no provocation. I agree with your take on the status quo though.

Nothing I did was short or easy and I am not responsible for the crash of 2008 which (along with my advanced decrepitude) :dead:crashed my earning potential.

Obviously there's a process of adjustment being made in the industry as it looks like every hospital in the country is only taking new grads (even, or maybe especially BSN's) in through Residency programs where the hospitals spend beau coup dollars making these "smart" kids safe to turn loose on the floor.

I have found very few entry level positions out there that don't require a degree (pref BSN) and at least a year of acute care experience (and where do you get it?), OR, residency of up to two years. And there's no standard approach as the conglomerates and their MBA's make it up as they go along. But they had to do something.

Dumb as I am, I turned down an offer to go to work in a small midwest ICU straight out of school, with no more than a few weeks "orientation" because I was afraid of getting crucified. I know I need more education/clinical experience to do that without killing somebody. I didn't get this old being stupid.

I already got all the affirmation (and sometimes well deserved criticism) I need from the long term RN's, CRRN's, CNOR's, CCRN's, etc., and MSN's, I did my 1000+ hours of clinical under. I have the makings of a damn good RN; and that's not just my opinion.

So, whatever.

Tomascz said:
Well, between "avenging spirit" "LindaRN" and Nurse Diane I'm about to slit my wrists (not really; I'm actually fairly stable for a 62 yo new grad ADN, unemployed, with a shiny new license and $51,000. in loans on the horizon who's applied, interviewed and been turned down a couple dozen times since July) As far as I can tell what all of you are saying is real, and then some. Unfortunately, I have no idea what the chances of all this incredibly well informed ranting has of turning into some sort of just action on behalf of those affected.

Come to North Dakota from Fargo to the western ND they need RNs BADLY...

Tomascz said:
Well, between "avenging spirit" "LindaRN" and Nurse Diane I'm about to slit my wrists (not really; I'm actually fairly stable for a 62 yo new grad ADN, unemployed, with a shiny new license and $51,000. in loans on the horizon who's applied, interviewed and been turned down a couple dozen times since July) As far as I can tell what all of you are saying is real, and then some. Unfortunately, I have no idea what the chances of all this incredibly well informed ranting has of turning into some sort of just action on behalf of those affected.

No need to slit your wrists. First of all, 62 is by no means old by today's standards. One of the nurses who graduated a year ahead of me in 2003 was 63 and started working on a med/surg floor right after graduation. If you must, then go into forbearance with your student loan debt. At least it can buy you some time. One of the reasons I write these truths about our profession is that I know for fact; nursing leaders read this forum as well as those in healthcare administration and academia. It's a way to let them know that we are aware of the crap they pull. What we have to do is start naming hospitals that force out older nurses to hire young naive ones right out of school with no experience, no mentoring and pay them at the bottom the pay scale. Hospitals can and should be allowed to hire whatever their preference is. But it is our preference to talk about the crap some of these institutions pull. If there's one thing institutions fear more than anything else, it's bad publicity; especially when they know it's true; because it will cost them money.

A Phila hospital whose name has biblical significance rated 45 out of 45 Phila. area city and suburban hospitals in July's 2013 patient satisfaction scores. And this was after they went to a BSN only hiring policy in late 2011. According to a nurse who had worked there, nurses already employed there (many in their 40s and 50s) had maybe three years to get the BSN or risk possible future termination. This year, only the scores of 14 hospitals within the city were published and this institution was 12th on the list. I am not mentioning anything that hasn't been published. Now, one may say that these scores don not mean anything because only those who had a bad experience fill out the forms. However there must have been a lot of patients with bad experiences at this facility who filled out the forms. This is what happens when hospitals change nurse hiring policy based on a study whose sole purpose was to coerce nurses back into the four year school systems to increase their stale revenues as well as those of all the other all the other organizations and businesses that would benefit as result.

I respectfully disagree with you. If you're lucky enough to have health insurance through your employer, then you probably don't see the drastic increases in premiums that companies have put on the backs of their customers, along with very high deductibles that most people won't meet annually, therefore their insurance doesn't pay a dime & everything comes out of their own pockets. Plus, the insurance plans are far worse than what was available 10 years ago. When the ACA was enacted, no regulations were put in place to prevent insurers from jacking the rates up, limiting services & the doctors that will accept the plans, all the while reducing their liability for the cost. Why pay hundreds of dollars each month for a plan with a $6,500 deductible? A "normal" person won't reach that deductible during the year if they go for routine care, so they're paying for everything before insurance ever even kicks in. So, the insurance companies are getting money from monthly premiums and they don't pay out a dime for care.

I see "VA" in your name. Therefore, I must assume you have good insurance through the VA/government----Tri-Care, probably. Take a look at the online exchanges & the cost of plans, along with their deductibles, co-pays & co-insurance. The costs are astronomical.

I subscribe to the "don't get sick" mantra. I also add "stay out of the hospital at all costs unless you're one foot in the grave & the other on a banana peel"----no "elective" procedures unless you can't live with the pain or whatever condition you've got. If there are other alternative treatments to a surgical procedure, max them out before you give in to a scalpel.

I feel most sorry for the senior citizens of this country, who worked their entire lives, paid into Medicare & social security, and who are not being taken care of by the government like they were supposed to be. That money is going toward paying for the care of everybody else besides our own citizens. Having to pay $600/month for medications is insane----and many of the senior citizens are required to do that because Medicare is so limited in what they'll cover. I actually did a PICC line dressing change today for an 84 year old woman, on Invanz for 6 weeks for a pilonidal cyst. It's week 4 of 6, and she has already paid out over $2,000 for "supplies" and "service" by the pharmacy/agency. She gets the Invanz covered by Medicare, and the pharmacy/agency is charging her $80/day for a "per diem" fee, that they say is for supplies (2 saline flushes/day, some alcohol pads, one dressing change kit every week, a few pairs of non-sterile vinyl gloves, one PICC line stabilization device per week---no gazue 4x4's, no Bandaids, no tape) & "administrative fees". That is insane. The antibiotic is less than $200/week. The problem is, unless you have medical knowledge, you don't know enough to find alternatives---like going to the hospital or an infusion center to get the infusions where it would be covered 100% or telling the agency to shove it because you'll buy your own supplies someplace else. When patients are told what they have to do, they're not given "options" so they can decide what is the best for them, financially & otherwise. Of course, no pharmacy/infusion agency will tell them the most cost-effective method of getting their antibiotics----they're going to tell them the method that will make then the most profit. While I understand that nobody works for free, certain areas of medicine are exploiting "loopholes" in the rules & regulations, and costing seniors a massive out-of-pocket expense.