Health Care is a right

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I would do a poll on this, but I do not know how to - or maybe you need to be a premium member.

At any rate, I would like to hear some discussion on whether you feel health care is a right or not.

I personally do.

I learned this in seventh grade civics class (in public school, btw). Do I really have to explain it to you?:coollook:

Yeah you do. Because if they have enough votes to pass the bill. Why waste time with a filibuster? I know how it works. A filibuster with enough votes to pass a bill is just another example of a poor excuse for a government that doesn't work.:loveya:

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Yeah you do. Because if they have enough votes to pass the bill. Why waste time with a filibuster? I know how it works. A filibuster with enough votes to pass a bill is just another example of a poor excuse for a government that doesn't work.:loveya:

A fillibuster is a strategy used by the OPPOSITION. Its where a member of the house can stand up and talk indefinitely about the topic, never letting it go to vote. The only way to silence him is by having what...60% of the votes? Where they only need 50%+ to pass the vote, they can't actually get to that point if their being fillibustered.

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^.. The Republicans have already expressed their intention to filibuster. That's why Reid needs 60 votes so he can invoke cloture.

I don't know why the Republicans are wasting time. That's a good question.

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^.. The Republicans have already expressed their intention to filibuster. That's why Reid needs 60 votes so he can invoke cloture.

I don't know why the Republicans are wasting time. That's a good question.

Democrats are already shaky about voting for this thing. Time is a pretty integral aspect of getting it passed. Loyalties are fickle, and if the issue doesn't get resolved this year, there's going to be a lot less support after congress reconvenes in january, with everyone looking towards the midterm elections. They're going to be a lot less willing to take any chances.

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^.. The Republicans have already expressed their intention to filibuster. That's why Reid needs 60 votes so he can invoke cloture.

I don't know why the Republicans are wasting time. That's a good question.

You know - each side has used the filibuster as it is intended.

Why was it put in place in the first place and why do both sides use it? (Back to 7th Grade Civics):D

(p.s. I know the answer . . .just being facetious) :coollook:

steph

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Democrats are already shaky about voting for this thing. Time is a pretty integral aspect of getting it passed. Loyalties are fickle, and if the issue doesn't get resolved this year, there's going to be a lot less support after congress reconvenes in january, with everyone looking towards the midterm elections. They're going to be a lot less willing to take any chances.

And that is what I'm hoping for.

steph

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True and since the MAJORITY of the population (latest polls) is against this thing being called "healthcare reform", it should not pass.

If you disagree with that statement then make this real easy...let them create the law then let the PEOPLE vote for it or not. If they say yes....pres signs....if they say NO, .....'nuf said.

Actually the public option is popular. Most polls I've read come in at a 62% plurality. Rasmussen and Fox are outliers because of question wording problems and essentially polling the GOP base only...

The NBC/Wall Street Journal survey found that 48 percent support a government-run plan to compete with private insurers and 42 percent oppose it -- the strongest support ever in the survey. Last month, opinion was basically divided with 46 percent in favor and 48 percent against.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/10/poll_support_gr.html

BTW we elect representatives to govern......

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Specializes in Medical.

Just a reminder - the OP asked if health care is considered a right or now. Not "is it a right in the US" or "what do you think about the proposed legislative change" or "how does a Bill become a Law?"

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We already did. That's what happened last November, remember? And the people overwhelmingly voted for candidates that supported health care reform.

Absolutely not true!

FYI....If you looked at the popular vote, McCain and Obama were neck and neck.

Obama won by presenting himself as a moderate so that he would get the independent votes. (who have now left him in droves! 65% said if they knew then what they know now, they would never have voted for him!)

The liberal left media refused to disparage this candidate.

Anyone exposing his marxist beliefs were dismissed and labeled racists.

The vast majority either voted ANTI Bush or pro first AA pres. The very policies that McCain proposed and Obama MOCKED (taxing employer provided HC), Obama has ADDED to his "soak the rich to pay for the lazy" reform.

Once the rubber hit the road.....folks began rebelling. The liberals called them unAmerican and Astroturf.

Wait until 2010. You will see how big the field of "astroturf" really is.

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HAHAH keep drinking the koolaid if you believe those numbers. You must mean the polls that poll democrats 3:1 against republicans. 2010 Is gonna be a sweet year kinda like 1994. Dems already goin down in New Jersey and Virginia even with the typical democrat vote fraud.

Actually the public option is popular. Most polls I've read come in at a 62% plurality. Rasmussen and Fox are outliers because of question wording problems and essentially polling the GOP base only...
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http://www.urbancure.org/article.asp?id=3186

The Health Care Fatal Conceit

We can expect the same results from government taking over health care as we've gotten from housing socialism

"Nobel prize winning economist F.A.Hayek called socialism "the fatal conceit."

Why conceit? Because socialism's basic premise, according to Hayek, is that "man is able to shape the world around him according to his wishes."

Why fatal? Because, like all falsehoods and misconceptions, it leads to failure, and sometimes disaster.

Although the socialist label is being thrown around a lot now, we must recognize this isn't new. This conceit has been inflating in American hearts and minds for years, with the inexorable growth of government and the ongoing change in American attitudes about what government is about.

If there is anything new today, it's the extent to which we're taking this.

The Declaration of Independence, signed by our founders, states that man has the "unalienable rights" to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" and that men form government to "secure these rights." According to Jefferson's words, the purpose of the government is to protect me.

Now Congress is moving health-care legislation in which the role of government will evolve to defining what health insurance is, forcing me to buy a policy that covers what government dictates, tracking my behavior through the IRS to see if I have complied, fining me if I haven't, and sending me to jail if I refuse to do it.. . . . ."

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A fillibuster is a strategy used by the OPPOSITION. Its where a member of the house can stand up and talk indefinitely about the topic, never letting it go to vote. The only way to silence him is by having what...60% of the votes? Where they only need 50%+ to pass the vote, they can't actually get to that point if their being fillibustered.

I know that. But if you have the votes to pass then pass don't let it go to fillibuster.

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