Look Here to See What’s in the Health Care Bill: CHILLING!
Take a look at what actually is in the Health Care bill. Obama makes disingenuous comments like "You'll still keep your doctor" or "You'll keep your existing health care." He is either lying to us or he has no idea what is in it. Take a peek at the full report , or look at some of the highlights here:
Pg 22 of the HC Bill mandates the Government will audit books of all employers that self insure. Can you imagine what that will do to small businesses? Every one will abandon “self insurance ” and go on Government insurance. So when Obama says that there will still be private health care, it’s simply a lie: this mandate will force employers to abandon their private plans.
Specializes in He who hesitates is probably right....
So are the profit-bloated-insurance-industry, hate-spouting, sometimes gun-carrying, disruptive puppets. Thanks God, there are reasonable voices answering their false, inflammatory accusations.
Seems to me that most of the hate is being spouted by the opposition. I guess the "puppets" should ignore the constitution and the government's attempted nationalization of one industry after another.
the bill is a 1,017 page document broken out in three divisions:
1. division a – affordable health care choices
2. division b – medicare and medicaid improvements
3. division c – public health and workforce development
division a – affordable health care choices (pages 4-215)
this division creates a health insurance exchange (hie) with a public health insurance option along with private insurance plans.
the government will determine what is a qualifying plan (section (202 (d)(2)). you must be covered under a qualifying plan on january 1, 2013 or you will be automatically enrolled in the public plan (div.a title i subtitle a section 102 (a)(1)(a) page 16 lines 11-16).
there are no new enrollees in private health plans after january 1, 2013 (div. a title i subtitle a section 102 (a)(1)(a) page 16 lines 11-16).
there is an out for the government to deny all private plans from qualifying after 2018 (div.a title i subtitle a section 102 (b)(1)(a) page 17 lines 13-19).
the government can disqualify any plan for not adhering to the american recovery and reinvestment act of 2009, the employee retirement income security act of 1974 or any other reason the commissioner sees fit ((div.a title i subtitle a section 102 (b)(1)(b) page 18 lines 13-17).
(no, it doesn't say that directly, of course not, then it would be too easy to figure out what they are up to, but if you will connect the dots, and read how plans are qualified, you will discover the government will have the capability deny any plan for any reason they choose, if you dig through the american recovery and reinvestment act of 2009, the employee retirement income security act of 1974 you will find my reference).
there will be a health benefits advisory committee made up of 26 members and chaired by the surgeon general. of the 26 members, 17 are appointed by the president. there might not be one single medical doctor (div.a title i subtitle a section 123 (a)(3)(a-c) and (4) pages 31-32 lines 1-25 and 1-10).
there is a statement that the government has the right to conduct examinations and audits of qualifying health benefit plans (qhbp) and recoup the costs involved (div.a title i subtitle e section 142 (b)(2)(b) page 43 lines 13-18).
nothing in the paragraph stipulates how infrequent these audits need to be. therefore, the government could run private plans out of business. once the government disqualifies a plan, you’re in the public plan (div.a title i subtitle e section 142 (d)(2)(b) page 44 lines 16-22) and (div.a title i subtitle e section 142 (d)(2)(d) page 45 lines 7-10).
private insurers are not allowed to make a profit (div.a title i subtitle f section 2714 (a) page 54 lines 1-13). this obviously will bankrupt private insurers.
each company must reinsure all retirees, their spouses and dependents (div.a title i subtitle f section 164 (a)(1) page 65 lines 14-22). this obviously will bankrupt companies.
the government will automatically enroll you in the public plan if you are not in a qualifying health plan (div.a title ii subtitle a section 205 (b)(3)(a) pages 97-98 lines 22-25 and 1-2). i thought this was all about choice.
if you have any sort of family change: marriage; divorce; new child; child completing college and now off of your insurance or move, you are automatically enrolled in the government plan (div. a title ii subtitle a section 205 (b)(2)(b) pages 96-97 lines 24-25 and 1-11).
the public health plan has no dental coverage (div.a title ii subtitle b section 221 (b)(3)(b) page 117 line 9). we’re going to have “english teeth”
there is a 2.5% tax on all individuals who do not get acceptable coverage (div.a title iv subtitle a section 59b (a) page 167 line 23). and obama says there are no new taxes for this.
if your employer elects to not provide coverage, there is an 8% tax on wages (div.a title iv subtitle a section 412 (a) page 183 lines 17-20). if your current employer pays more than 8% now, what do you think they will do? you’re going on the public plan.
there is a range of taxes (1%-5.4%) for people making over $350,000/year (div.a title iv subtitle d section 59c (a)(1-3) pages 197-198 lines 21-23 and 1-6). and obama says there are no new taxes for this.
by 2012, there must be submitted, a study showing the savings, through 2019, generated as a result of the public health care (div.a title iv subtitle d section 59c (i)(4) page 201 lines 5-11). how could they possible predict this? the date is awfully close to obama’s next election day.
division b – medicare and medicaid improvements (pages 215-854)
this division discusses all of the changes to medicare and medicaid.
the public health plan will be reducing “durable medical equipment”
no more specialty hospitals, like cancer treatment centers (div. b title i subtitle b part 2 section 1145 (b) page 272 lines 8-25). if these specialty hospitals cannot charge a premium for their services, they will go bankrupt.
the government will ration the amount of time you are allowed in a hospital (div. b title i subtitle c section 1151 (a)(1) page 280 lines 15-20). good luck infirm and elderly.
physicians can no longer have ownership interest in a hospital (div. b title i subtitle c section 1156 (i)(1)(b) page 317 lines 13-20).
the only way a rural hospital will be allowed to increase their facilities will be after 5 years and only if they are located in a county showing a 150% population growth over the state aggregate population growth; admission rates for the hospital must be greater than other county hospitals; in a state that has less bed capacity than the national average; has a bed occupancy rate more than the state average and other conditions determined by the secretary (div. b title i subtitle c section 1156 subsection (i)(2)(e)(i-v) pages 323-325). seems pretty difficult to get new hospitals built, huh?
the public health plan fully admits there will be a lack of physicians (div. b title i subtitle c section 1156 subsection (i)(4) page 326).
the poor, in order to get benefits without paying for them, can self-report income (div. b title ii subtitle a section 1203 (a)(1) page 390 lines 12-25). no potential for fraud here!
acorn will be getting grants under public health care (div. b title ii subtitle a section 1222 (a)(2)(b) page 407 lines 5-9). no potential for fraud here!
the elderly will be counseled every five years on end-of-life issues (div. b title ii subtitle c section 1223 (a)(1) pages 424-426). good bye useless old people.
the state will limit the explanations needed to euthanize you (div. b title ii subtitle c section 1223 (a)(1) pages 426 lines 22-24).
a “practitioner” who will be given the authority to turn your life support off can be a nurse practitioner or a physicians assistant (div. b title ii subtitle c section 1223 (a)(1) page 428 lines 9-10 and page 429 line 13). good bye useless old people.
the capitol gains on your primary residence will be used to compute your income to determine your part b income-related premium (div. b title ii subtitle a section 1235 (a) page 437 lines 17-24). suddenly, you’re rich!
nurse practitioners and physicians assistants are being elevated to the same status as medical doctors under the public health plan (div. b title iii section 1302 (a)(4)(a-b) page 461 lines 8-21 and section 1303 (a)(3)(a)(i-ii) pages 480-481).
midwives get an increase in pay (div. b title iii section 1304 (a) page 482 lines 20-21).
there will be a commission to determine the most efficient method to provide health care and to ration care (div. b title iv subtitle a section 1401 (a)(1) pages 501-502 lines 20-21) and (div. b title iv section 1304 (e)(2) page 522 lines 9-10).
of the 15 members on the commission only 1 needs to be a medical doctor (div. b title iv section 1304 (b)(3)(a-c) pages 507-509 lines 20-24; 1-25 and 1-19, inclusive).
the “sunshine provision” regarding payment for services suddenly doesn’t include nurse practitioners or physicians assistants (div. b title iv subtitle d section 1128h pages 646-647 lines 15-25 and 1-12). dissuading medical doctors and persuading nurse practitioners or physicians assistants.
there will be fewer medical doctors overall (div. b title v section 1501 (a) pages 659-665). how will this improve health care?
there will be fewer medical specialists (div. b title v section 1501 pages 666-670) and (div. b title v section 1501 page 674 lines 9-11). how will this improve health care?
there is addition funding and special emphasis on hospice (div. b title v sections 1614; 1819a and 2114 pages 691-696). why is hospice elevated in obama’s plan? is the government planning on denying you advanced cancer treatments?
there will be a reduction in home health aides as physicians will be required to meet with each patient face-to-face before your equipment is scripted (div. b title v section 1639 pages 721-724).
family planning services are left to the states (div. b title vii subtitle b section 1714 page 769).
there is another per capita tax on self-insured health plans (div. b title viii subtitle b section 4376 page 830 lines 2-25).
division c – public health and workforce development (pages 855-1017) this division is about training of future health care professionals.
future doctors and/or nurses can no longer pick their specialties. the secretary will pick their areas of interest based upon “needs” (div. c title ii part 2 section 340h page 869 lines 21-24).
primary care physicians and “other healthcare professionals” will make up 90% of the healthcare workforce (div. c title ii part 2 section 340k pages 874-875 lines 22-24 and 1-2 and div. c title ii part 2 section 2213 pages 877-880 lines 14-25 and 1-23, inclusive).
quotas are in full effect throughout the bill (div. c title ii part 2 section 2213 (c-d)(1-3)(pages 880- 881 lines 4-23 and 1-7 and page 884 lines 4-10 and page 939 lines 16-19 and page 946 lines 3-5).
there will be funding for “additional health services” at schools (div. c title v subtitle a section 2501 page 994 lines 11-13). what are the “additional health services”?
only unionized healthcare entities can train future nurses (div. c title v subtitle d section 2531 page 1008 lines 13-16 and page 1010 lines 4-5).
all state, county and municipal workers are under the public health plan (div. c title v subtitle e section 2541 page 1017 lines 6-19).
do you actually expect this piece of legislation to be written in a straight forward fashion? never gonna happen.
if you want to discover what's really going on, you have to search each and every document tied into the bill.
because most people don't have the time or means to do so, carefully crafted, vaguely worded, near impossible to assemble puzzles get the nod from politicians that can't figure out all the doublespeak, hell, i doubt many even try.
however, if you have access to all the other bills referenced, and take the time to assemble the pieces, you begin to get the full picture.
i will say this again..... why the rush? our representatives admit they haven't had the time to read it, and all the referenced definitions, exceptions and exclusions that are found buried in other bills?
if this is truly the best plan to benefit all american's, as obama touts it to be, why the rush?
give our representatives time to read & understand the bill.
slow down, carefully put all the pieces together....that's the only way for our lawmakers to make an informed decision.
isn't that what you want from your representatives? for them to read and understand the laws they pass.
Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.
I see people die because they were not treated until their illness became an emergency.
As a pro life Christian I think we need to stop preventable death and disability.
I want all ages to be able to have Medicare. And for Medicare to be improved.
But although I don't support the House of Representatives bill I also cannot condone the insurance companies spending million$ to misinterpret the bill for the purpose of frightening good American people.
I see people die because they were not treated until their illness became an emergency.
As a pro life Christian I think we need to stop preventable death and disability.
I want all ages to be able to have Medicare. And for Medicare to be improved.
But although I don't support the House of Representatives bill I also cannot condone the insurance companies spending million$ to misinterpret the bill for the purpose of frightening good American people.
When i tried to load this PDF I was given a legal notice stating that the document had been altered or corrupted & that the validity of the document could not be established.
Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.
This is what I get from the newest link
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I'll try to attach the bill.
Maybe others are like me and want to read the bill before reading the "interactive" comments. Hyperbole from those pro and con.
Ummm, no, I would say that quite a bit of the "synopsis" in the OP is opinion, not fact. I'd still like to know where it came from and who wrote it.
It came from me.
I gave you section, page, paragraph & line#.
You can read the interactive version without opening the comments posted by others. Read it, form your own opinion, then look at what others have said.
The history of Tenncare should explain to people why national healthcare will not work. The same people are involved. Tenncare failed in a big way, and almost bankrupt the state doing it. To think that a larger scale would do any better is just wishful thinking.
I will say this again..... why the rush? Our representatives admit they haven't had the time to read it, and all the referenced definitions, exceptions and exclusions that are found buried in other bills?
If this is truly the best plan to benefit all American's, as Obama touts it to be, why the rush?
Give our representatives time to read & understand the bill.
Slow down, carefully put all the pieces together....that's the only way for our lawmakers to make an informed decision.
Isn't that what you want from your representatives? For them to read and understand the laws they pass.
K98
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Seems to me that most of the hate is being spouted by the opposition. I guess the "puppets" should ignore the constitution and the government's attempted nationalization of one industry after another.