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I'm from an emerging second world country. during communism doctors were paid a pittance yet they got into the profession for prestige, not money. also, everyone got, and still receives, healthcare. also, to this day doctors still are bribed to perform a better job, or to get perform a procedure sooner, or whatever extra care you need... as a result if you visited a doctor's home you could see it littered with vodkas and liquor. today money is used instead of alcohol.

nurses are severely underpaid, way more so than doctors. i totally understand that in this country nurses ARE underpaid for the tremendous responsibility in their care. it is absurd as the world itself. when i was in my country and told people i wanted to be a nurse (in the states) i wasn't praised for it or encouraged or impressed for my career choice like in this country (for the most part). one person even derided my non stop, made fun of me... etc. it almost, at 20 years old, made me change my mind. i find it impressive that i even wanted to get into nursing considering that in my country there is so much stigma behind it. when i saw that my state university offered a degree in nursing i was blown away and immediately considered it. i felt it was my "calling". (is see it as just a job too, the two attitudes are not exclusive).

so, my point is that in the end, America is still very advanced in its compensation. yes it is ultimately outrageous, incendiary, that nurses are waaaaay underpaid when you look at what they REALLY do. their responsisbility, I think, is close to a doctor's. most medical conditions do not involve a complex diagnoses, one could go on WebMd and possibily figure out what the treatment is if you are smart enough. i've been a fan of allnurses.com before i was a nurse and it is obvious to me that nurses have way about average intelligence by how all of you write. i once saw somewhere that nurses have an average IQ of 120. doctors an IQ of 130. the standard deviation is not that much greater between doctors and nurses. ok... i am falling into a rant. the IQ thing was a distraction, sorry! my point isn't that people should get paid according to IQ. what I'm trying to say is that firstly people should get compensated based on level of RESPONSIBILITY then level of KNOWLEDGE. nurses and doctors carry similar levels but different a kind of responsibility which is why the disparity between the two professions should be closer.

ok, returning to my main pt. (when I started I had intended to only focus on this point! hah!)... nurses in America are actually paid pretty dang well COMPARED to the rest of the world. which is related to why nurses in this country are actually respected more well. level of income=level of respect in a materialistic country, not level of responsibility=level of respect.

if i lived in any other country (with the exclusion of a few progressive ones) i would NOT want to be a nurse. compared to the rest of the world i think that nursing in this country IS paid well and I am actually grateful for it. in an ideal world, sure, i would NOT be grateful for it and i would be angry. but this is not an ideal world, and america is a "little" more ideal than most of the rest of the world, therefore, I, am grateful for the salary nurses receive here.

that's it!

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smartnurse1982 has 7 years experience.

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Thats the free market.

I chose nursing,and i have to deal with it.

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smartnurse1982 has 7 years experience.

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I will say that geography matters more than anything.

When i was in the south,the pay and benefits had me in tears.

In Nj,its a huge improvement.

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LadyFree28 has 10 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in Pediatrics, Rehab, Trauma.

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I'm from an emerging second world country. during communism doctors were paid a pittance yet they got into the profession for prestige, not money. also, everyone got, and still receives, healthcare. also, to this day doctors still are bribed to perform a better job, or to get perform a procedure sooner, or whatever extra care you need... as a result if you visited a doctor's home you could see it littered with vodkas and liquor. today money is used instead of alcohol.

nurses are severely underpaid, way more so than doctors. i totally understand that in this country nurses ARE underpaid for the tremendous responsibility in their care. it is absurd as the world itself. when i was in my country and told people i wanted to be a nurse (in the states) i wasn't praised for it or encouraged or impressed for my career choice like in this country (for the most part). one person even derided my non stop, made fun of me... etc. it almost, at 20 years old, made me change my mind. i find it impressive that i even wanted to get into nursing considering that in my country there is so much stigma behind it. when i saw that my state university offered a degree in nursing i was blown away and immediately considered it. i felt it was my "calling". (is see it as just a job too, the two attitudes are not exclusive).

so, my point is that in the end, America is still very advanced in its compensation. yes it is ultimately outrageous, incendiary, that nurses are waaaaay underpaid when you look at what they REALLY do. their responsisbility, I think, is close to a doctor's. most medical conditions do not involve a complex diagnoses, one could go on WebMd and possibily figure out what the treatment is if you are smart enough. i've been a fan of allnurses.com before i was a nurse and it is obvious to me that nurses have way about average intelligence by how all of you write. i once saw somewhere that nurses have an average IQ of 120. doctors an IQ of 130. the standard deviation is not that much greater between doctors and nurses. ok... i am falling into a rant. the IQ thing was a distraction, sorry! my point isn't that people should get paid according to IQ. what I'm trying to say is that firstly people should get compensated based on level of RESPONSIBILITY then level of KNOWLEDGE. nurses and doctors carry similar levels but different a kind of responsibility which is why the disparity between the two professions should be closer.

ok, returning to my main pt. (when I started I had intended to only focus on this point! hah!)... nurses in America are actually paid pretty dang well COMPARED to the rest of the world. which is related to why nurses in this country are actually respected more well. level of income=level of respect in a materialistic country, not level of responsibility=level of respect.

if i lived in any other country (with the exclusion of a few progressive ones) i would NOT want to be a nurse. compared to the rest of the world i think that nursing in this country IS paid well and I am actually grateful for it. in an ideal world, sure, i would NOT be grateful for it and i would be angry. but this is not an ideal world, and america is a "little" more ideal than most of the rest of the world, therefore, I, am grateful for the salary nurses receive here.

that's it!

I appreciate your perspective. :yes:

As far as income, I have been paid handsomely for the work I do as a nurse...however, wages have become stagnant for almost a generation; perhaps a generation; I think making close to or at least 6 figures for what we do would make it math to our expanding practice and responsibilities :yes: ; overall most not us in this country need an income raise.

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manusko has 4 years experience and specializes in critcal care, CRNA.

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The owners get paid even more so why shouldn't the athletes get what they can? You can't compare the two. People do the same thing with comparing teachers. The biggest difference would have to be that 50,000 plus people will never pack a stadium to watch you insert a foley cath. I'm not saying its fair but it is the world we live in.

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Joe V has 24 years experience and specializes in Programming / Strategist / Web Development.

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This one is still hilarious!

Maybe we should start a new toon series - "What's wrong with this picture?"

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On 9/26/2013 at 1:58 PM, kbrn2002 said:

It's not just that pro athletes are overpaid, which in my opinion they are...but that health care workers are so underpaid. It is a sad state that a CNA that cares for vulnerable elderly can make almost as much working in fast food. Licensed staff, nurses that are well educated, well trained and literally responsible for the lives in their care are paid less than many office jobs. To continue the rant...lets stick up for the teachers too, ridiculously underpaid for the responsibility of educating new nurses! Nursing schools are requiring a minimum of a masters degree to teach [which they should], but instructors can be paid so more much in other areas of nursing with a masters or higher degree that it is difficult to attract qualified instructors.

I’ve experienced that in both computer science and nursing the job of doing pays so much more than the job of teaching, the teachers never have more than a couple years experience teaching on average. 

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Howardhughes has 16 years experience as a ASN, BSN, RN and specializes in 7 Years ED, 6 Years TBI/PTSD unit VA.

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Well...  I  found  out   Nursing  is  no  get  rich   job...as  a  matter  of   fact  for   the   Education  and  Training  involved  it  way  under  paid.  I  was  just    asked  by  a   Travel   agency   if  I  wanted  a  job..  you  see  the  "Agency"  Bills  out   $150.00  a Hour   for  the   Contract...You  Get   $45.00  Pro  rated  due  to housing  etc..and  you  get  all  the   responsibility to your  license  and  they  make $105.00  a  HR  for  a   12  Week  Contract   YEA IM IN. Folks...Nursing  needs    to  Pay   well  for   good  people...You   Earned  it. There is  a  reason  the  Hospitals   are  making  300M PA as  a "Non  Profit"...its  off  your   Poor  pay   and  Benefits. Im  SO   BLESSED  to  be  Semi  retired  ..  If  you   Don't  have    Representation  you will be  worked like  a   Dog  and  Paid  worse.

 

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On 9/28/2013 at 10:15 AM, manusko said:

The owners get paid even more so why shouldn't the athletes get what they can? You can't compare the two. People do the same thing with comparing teachers. The biggest difference would have to be that 50,000 plus people will never pack a stadium to watch you insert a foley cath. I'm not saying its fair but it is the world we live in.

Maybe the patients who need to learn how to do it themselves would. Lol!

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Howardhughes has 16 years experience as a ASN, BSN, RN and specializes in 7 Years ED, 6 Years TBI/PTSD unit VA.

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My  Point  is   they (  Travel  Agencies)  are  leaches offering  nothing    and  taking   the  Lions  share  of  $$$...YOU  do  the   work  and  take  all  the   responsibilities ...there  is  NO  NO  Good  reason  a  RN  cant  be  a  Self  Contractor OR   Get  a Group  of  RN's  with  Liability  Insurance  and   Negotiate  Pay. Hospitals   don't  do  it  because     folks   get  taken  care  of   who   write   these  contracts  within  Management.  

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