Is 1.00 am and I am a foreign nurse who work in US and instead to sleep I stay here to write... for YOU! Why because I read the topic "go away foreign nurses" and I am dizzy and deep upset!
And I will explain you why without making a subjective case from it.
PHRASE OF THE DAY: ALL WE ARE DIFFERENT so you need to find your way!
You could not find two pinoy the same, neither two americans the same, or neither two people, dosen't matter from where, the same. But are people who can think or not, looooool! Good or bad! Life is good or bad!
Americans don't love immigrants.... FALSE! Loving hearts americans open minds ones, love imigrants, help immigrants. Others no!
Do you think that all immigrant nurses are good... NO! So how ALL americans could love ALL immigrant nurses?
Do you think that all americans are bad? NO! So how you could even belive that if you are not welcomed in one part you will not be welcomed all over...is not true!
ALL is a word for ALL nurses forum and neither here...:chuckle:D. We are different , you need to find your way, your path, your friends, your AMERICANS, LIKE YOU! And belive me, like a foreign nurse here I meet a lot of nurses from all over...and a lot of americans...you need to belive that ARE GOOD AMERICANS here, because for this you came here... FOR GOOD ONES!
Some of them may be will not like you, will push you, hurt you make your life a mess... just because you are different... but are so many others....who are there FOR YOU! Belive in good souls and heart... finally you will find your way.
Yes is true you will hear and fell hurting "go away" but also you will hear and fell the hugs with "you are welcome..." is just to find the people! Stay away from others....
America is beuatifull and are beuatifull souls americans.... find them!:heartbeat:heartbeat:heartbeat
See, given conditions in many of the places from which people come it doesn't strike me as strange at all. Sometimes the devil you know is bad enough that you'll take a chance on the one you don't.
That's what is strange though.
I have had many 'bad' experiences with fellow Americans. It doesn't translate to other people though because they are inherently different.
Take my African friends. They come from some pretty horrible places and the stories they tell me are unbelievable. Places like Liberia, Sierra Leone, Rwanda, etc. They are pretty friendly though and very inclusive. They have a REAL reason to fear strangers. Coming from wars and excessive violence and what not.
Now my coworkers from the Philippines (4 of them) and those from Latin America are VERY exclusive. Very insular. The only reason I made it into the Hispanic group is because I speak Spanish and kinda already know their culture.
What's going on in Latin America or the Philippines that is making them not trust me? Someone not in anyway connected to anything they may have experienced? Not that I am an expert on their country but I swear it's nothing on the same level with whats going on in Africa or was going on.
That's what is confusing. I have found some cultures very insular and some an open book. Those that are insular, in my experience though are also the ones that I see attributing things to racism and people not liking them. I have yet to hear it from my African peeps.
I think her point was that foreigners ARE welcome but are not always the most welcoming people.
Quite often they keep themselves separate.
I consistently have to remind coworkers that if we are in a group talking and they start conversing in their own language that it is an insult, an affront and a direct exclusion of those of us that don't speak the language. Then, when we do things and they aren't included they get mad and say we don't welcome them. Hmmm.... Can't have it both ways.
BTW - That's the first lesson any person needs to learn when moving somewhere else. Excluding someone through the use of language is rude, whether on accident or not. Talking in a big group at say the nurses station in one language when you all know the one lone nurse or aide doesn't understand is rude and an insult.
Only socializing with your countrymen and/or language speakers also doesn't exactly engender feelings of 'being welcome.'
I think you are making a very good point. I have a similar situation at my workplace. Approximately 90% of my co-workers are Filipino. Although we have an "English only" rule, they continue to speak Tagalog in the hallways, in the break room, and in patient rooms. It has nothing to do with "fear." They all speak English fluently, but use their language to intentionally exclude non-Filipinos from conversations. If spoken to in English, they will respond in English, but then revert to Tagalog again. Patients have complained that they do not like it when a foreign language is spoken in front of them. The two non-Filipino nurses have complained, the three non-Filipino CNAs have complained, but because the DON is also Filipino, enforcement of the "English only" rule is lax at best.
It's a sad situation when an American-born person is made to feel unwelcome in a US healthcare facility.
In a nutshell, I was trying to say - there wouldn't be so many nurses and other employees from foreign country in one work place had this land not welcomed foreign nurses.
I am not a native English speaker, but nobody in that place happens to speak or understand my native language.
There in that break room, I felt like I was in an ethnic conference but couldn't present my paper because it didn't seem to be relevant.
I think you are making a very good point. I have a similar situation at my workplace. Approximately 90% of my co-workers are Filipino. Although we have an "English only" rule, they continue to speak Tagalog in the hallways, in the break room, and in patient rooms. It has nothing to do with "fear." They all speak English fluently, but use their language to intentionally exclude non-Filipinos from conversations. If spoken to in English, they will respond in English, but then revert to Tagalog again. Patients have complained that they do not like it when a foreign language is spoken in front of them. The two non-Filipino nurses have complained, the three non-Filipino CNAs have complained, but because the DON is also Filipino, enforcement of the "English only" rule is lax at best.
It's a sad situation when an American-born person is made to feel unwelcome in a US healthcare facility.
No offence to anybody but I have experienced that too.
They even give the report in native language. We had english only policy but the DON, supervisors and the nurse managers were the first ones to break it.
No offence to anybody but I have experienced that too.
They even give the report in native language. We had english only policy but the DON, supervisors and the nurse managers were the first ones to break it.
Air traffic controllers all have to speak English for safety. This should extend into nursing. Patients should be spoken to in English unless their native tongue is different.
How can a unit function well when there are different cliques of nurses? Break time is a bonding time and if a group of nurses set themselves apart it makes it hard to function as a group.
My experience with African nurses is they don't exclude themselves. I do know they speak personally to each other but that is done on their own time when off duty.
Y'know, zuzi tried to start a thread about Americans including people from other countries and it has really degenerated into a, "Yeah, well, they should include us, too" bicker fest just like all the others.
As to African aides and nurses, they have been teaching everyon Creo. A sort of broken English they use that is easy to pick up heh.
Most if not all BONs require nurses to have a certain proficiency in English. I forgot about that so that means they CAN'T use the not good at English excuse.
Most policies and some state regs say English must also be spoken in front of and around residents. Unless of course the resident speaks another language.
Oops, I didn't see the post before mine before I posted the thread.
I haven't seen anything critical in this thread though.
I am merely pointing out behaviors that, ALSO happened to be pointed out in the other thread.
I merely pointed out a behavior I notice personally. I didn't think that I would be so dead on on pointing out the hypocrisy that others would agree. How often do others actually agree with me???
I think this is more an issue of too thin skin than hostility.
Of course some of it is thin-skinnededness. But that's also a function of culture. Anyone even near Asia, aside from maybe Aussies and Kiwis, are going to find this sort of open discourse to be extremely rude and even hostile. That's why I think that sometimes one can refrain from pointing thigs out. Repeatedly.
Of course some of it is thin-skinnededness. But that's also a function of culture. Anyone even near Asia, aside from maybe Aussies and Kiwis, are going to find this sort of open discourse to be extremely rude and even hostile. That's why I think that sometimes one can refrain from pointing thigs out. Repeatedly.
Ahh but they cannot expect Americans to know that. While both cultures should give a little those looking to move to another country (any country) need to more giving.
To do anything else as a guest is rude in every culture.
That was what my original post was trying to say.
Like I said, when I visited Japan I behaved modestly even though I am not modest. When I visited Africa I treated everyone older than me, eve by only a year or two older, with the utmost respect as that is the way there. In Spain, I let people do the kissing on the cheek thing despite the fact that I consider it gross simply because it is their custom.
I don't see anything wrong with expecting the same treatment and respect. That's just me though.
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That's what is strange though.
I have had many 'bad' experiences with fellow Americans. It doesn't translate to other people though because they are inherently different.
Take my African friends. They come from some pretty horrible places and the stories they tell me are unbelievable. Places like Liberia, Sierra Leone, Rwanda, etc. They are pretty friendly though and very inclusive. They have a REAL reason to fear strangers. Coming from wars and excessive violence and what not.
Now my coworkers from the Philippines (4 of them) and those from Latin America are VERY exclusive. Very insular. The only reason I made it into the Hispanic group is because I speak Spanish and kinda already know their culture.
What's going on in Latin America or the Philippines that is making them not trust me? Someone not in anyway connected to anything they may have experienced? Not that I am an expert on their country but I swear it's nothing on the same level with whats going on in Africa or was going on.
That's what is confusing. I have found some cultures very insular and some an open book. Those that are insular, in my experience though are also the ones that I see attributing things to racism and people not liking them. I have yet to hear it from my African peeps.