GN to NP in <1yr

[OhioCCRN]

I read a recent post regarding new graduates who cannot find work jumping on the NP bandwagon.

At work the other day, a new grad co-worker (less than 5 months experience) launched into a bitter tirade against a well known school for having the gall to expect her to have 2 years experience, have been involved in EBP, Committees and to have precepted before being allowed to even apply to join their ACNP program.....

Mind you, this nurse can barely handle her assignment... what makes her think that the NP is going to be an easy way out of floor nursing.... The courses take time and dedication and contrary to popular belief, graduation and subsequent employment are not a given..

[SNJS]

After reading through this entire thread, I just think its silly how so many nurses just can't respect the role of an NP!? And for a REGISTERED NURSE to be refusing her loved to be seen by a "midlevel practitioner"?! Wow! Way to NOT be an advocate for your profession!

I personally think it's amazing how flexible and versatile nursing is... It's great that WE, as nurses, even have the option of becoming an NP. Obviously it's not for everyone. Just as psych nursing isn't for everyone (it would make me pull my hair out ) and not everyone has the desire to become a nursing professor. But hey guess what? We are all nurses.

[wanderlust99]

advanced nurse practioners...doctor of nursing practice...yet nursing experience doesn't matter here. Interesting.

[uRNmyway, ASN, RN]

After reading through this entire thread, I just think its silly how so many nurses just can't respect the role of an NP!? And for a REGISTERED NURSE to be refusing her loved to be seen by a "midlevel practitioner"?! Wow! Way to NOT be an advocate for your profession!

I personally think it's amazing how flexible and versatile nursing is... It's great that WE, as nurses, even have the option of becoming an NP. Obviously it's not for everyone. Just as psych nursing isn't for everyone (it would make me pull my hair out ) and not everyone has the desire to become a nursing professor. But hey guess what? We are all nurses.

I don't know, what I'm seeing is not so much a lack of respect for nurse practitioners as a profession, more like the quality of nurse practitioners being spit out by all the for profit, online schools. Or direct entry. Because seriously, for most cases, it does matter. You can tell.

[ThePrincessBride, MSN, RN, NP]

No dear. It begins to decline at around 35, while remaining steady from about 24-35.

When does fertility start to decline?

Wrong again.

Study Shows Fertility Decline Begins in Late 20s - Scientific American

"Female fertility starts to fall off gradually around age 27 before dropping more dramatically after age 35."

And don't call me "dear." It comes off as rather condescending, particularly when one is completely unaware of the facts.

Thanks.

[ThePrincessBride, MSN, RN, NP]

Guess I'm extremly fertile. 31, 33, 34 all at the first try. No genetic defects.

Graduated nursing school at 41 and completed my BA at 52.

No nannies involved, just waited, planned, and budgeted. I learnt along my life journey that I don't come first in everything.

Well aren't you high and mighty. There were no nannies involved. My mother worked full-time. Yes, she sent me to daycare, but she raised me. Funny how you glossed over my other post.

My mother was able to have kids until 36 but even she agrees that it was hard. If you want to look down your perfect little nose at me for wanting to have my kids when I am younger and finished with my education, then that is all on you. But don't make backhanded comments about working moms not parenting and nannies raising kids when they don't, or other disparaging comments such as your last sentence.

Not everyone wants to go back to school in their fifties. In fact, I'm hoping to have my thirty years in by my 50th birthday and looking forward to retirement, not starting over on a new career.

[ThePrincessBride, MSN, RN, NP]

Busting 9 fertility myths | MNN - Mother Nature Network

[zahryia, LPN]

Well aren't you high and mighty. There were no nannies involved. My mother worked full-time. Yes, she sent me to daycare, but she raised me. Funny how you glossed over my other post.

My mother was able to have kids until 36 but even she agrees that it was hard. If you want to look down your perfect little nose at me for wanting to have my kids when I am younger and finished with my education, then that is all on you. But don't make backhanded comments about working moms not parenting and nannies raising kids when they don't, or other disparaging comments such as your last sentence.

Not everyone wants to go back to school in their fifties. In fact, I'm hoping to have my thirty years in by my 50th birthday and looking forward to retirement, not starting over on a new career.

You're doing exactly what you advised her of doing.

BTW, it's a new world. Something tells me you won't be retiring at 50. But good luck.

[BostonFNP, APRN]

We have both direct entry students and tradional NP students who do clinicals in my hospital. I work with them all the time and all of them are assinged to follow RRT for a few shifts. The all seem smart and well prepared. One big difference I see between them is I am not sure how to best describe this, but the DE students seem to be in Awe of the doctors. I think the DE students haven't yet figured out that the doctors sometimes miss things and don't know it all and even, (SHOCK!) make bad decisions that should be clairified, or even challenged, before being carried out. It appears to be that eventualy even the DE students overcome this.[/quote']

It's interesting you put it that way. In the literature about role socialization of novice NPs there has been identified a concept termed "role confusion" that is similar to this, however it is actually associated with positively with years of prior nursing experience rather than inversely as you describe. You see these DE and traditional NP students in the graduate portion of their education?

[BostonFNP, APRN]

advanced nurse practioners...doctor of nursing practice...yet nursing experience doesn't matter here. Interesting.

It is not that nursing experience doesn't matter, it's that the type of nursing experience drastically changes the overall effect on NP practice.

[freedomrn1]

How small minded, contrite and biased these posts appear. If she gets into the program, the program itself will train, guide and filter her abilities. Remenber, most older MD's and DO's in family practice had only a 1 year internship following their 4 year track. A new NP like her will be slotted where her abilities at that time are best utilized and she will build on that. Besides, I have yet to see a true "mill" school despite the naysayers out there. Every single accrefited program, whether for profit or not, offers challenging and robust learning experiences.

[AngelicDarkness]

Seems similar to the pressure that lpns feel to rush to be an rn.

[OCNRN63, RN]

I disagree with your perspective. Perhaps, for this nurse it is not time to be an NP, but that is not true of all new graduate nurses. The RN role and the NP role are COMPLETELY different. Being an RN on the floor for a few years is probably helpful but I don't think it makes one NP better than another... Yes some NPs don't feel prepared out of school, they can easily sign up for an internship and hang out with an MD or another NP before they begin to practice independently. Floor nursing isn't for some people.

Saying a GN shouldn't become an NP until they have x years of experience is like saying a CNA shouldn't be an RN until x years of experience... except this makes MORE sense because the CNA and RN have much more in common than the NP and the RN.

Sometimes I think that the nurses who discourage GN so much from being NPs are jealous because they are jealous that the twenty-something GN has the drive to become an NP, while the 45 year old nurse with 44 years of nursing experience (sarcasm) is still stuck at the bedside and can't imagine going back to school... Just an observation.... I'm jealous of my 22 year old friend who only has a few months until she's an FNP... It's okay to be jealous, but resist the totally natural urge to rain on their parade.

I think it's been stated amply that most nurses do not feel jealous of those who go straight from graduation to advanced practice, so let's drop the "bitter old nurse" stereotype.

If you think that the role of a CNA and an RN have so much in common, I would say you may not know the role of an RN as thoroughly as you should.