Two students caught cheating...... - page 2

If you had an assignment worth 5% of your total grade, and you did'nt finish it or forgot about it, would you copy someone else's assignment and turn it in as your own work knowing there is a zero... Read More

  1. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from fergus51
    Fail. Any student who would cheat should be kicked out. I don't care why they cheated. It doesn't matter if the student thinks that assignment will be important to them as a nurse. Students do not get to decide what is or isn't worth their time in the curriculum. Extremely arrogant to suggest otherwise.
    Exactly! Fail the class.

  2. by   Dixen81
    I vote for them being kicked out of the program. Anything less would send a message that cheating is somewhat tolerated. And as someone else said, if they get away with it, it could become a habit, and then later they could put patients in danger. Not good nurse material, if you ask me.
  3. by   jemommyRN
    I think they should fail the class. (Not necessarily kicked out of the program). It was such a small assignment that the person may have felt that it wasn't that important and cheating on this "little assignment" won't matter that much anyway. They need a wake up call. So, in this case failing the class should be suitable, but getting kicked out of the program is a little harsh for this situation. Now, if they fail the class and it happens again, then they should get kicked out. No ifs, ands, or butts!!!!!!!
  4. by   truern
    Well, if you want to get technical, they didn't actually cheat on a TEST, but an assignment.

    If it had been a test, I'd say they should be expelled from the program..but for an assignment?? Personally, I think expulsion would be a bit extreme.

    I had a lab practicum in micro the other day. When I got to the actual lab procedures part, I totally went blank. I couldn't remember the first thing about anything I sat there a few minutes and actually thought about just waiting to see what the other students did. I was SOOOOO tempted, but I realized that I just couldn't cheat on a test, and that's indeed what it would have been. I turned in my test and just left. I ended up with a 72 on that practicum which could really hurt my A in that class.

    But I didn't cheat, and to me that's more important than my final grade.
  5. by   tylerlvn
    I think a zero on the assignment is enough.

    How weird... just this week I got in trouble for cheating. We had a homework assignment in OB. We were to take it home and complete the worksheets. It was four pages long. I came into school the next day and told my friend who sits next to me that I was unsure about three of the questions. She showed me where she found them in the book and I never even thought anything about it. The next week my instructor called me and my friend into her office and told us that we had both recieved a zero on the assignment. Another student had gone to her and said that I had copied the assignment. Everyone was sitting at their desks taking about the paper. I took my zero and chalked it up to lessons learned! Luckily my grades are good and it did not hurt me to much.
  6. by   mitchsmom
    If there was an integrity statement that the students signed, they know the consequences they should have been spelled out in the written agreement and it should be followed. Making exceptions is doing nothing but nullifying the integrity of the whole program.
    Edit this to say that I agree with the above opinion.

    We had a couple of cheaters in one of my classes... in my program not only did they NOT get in trouble, the whole class had to use that quiz as one of their two drop grades. :angryfire Bone of contention for me, I wrote about it here when it happened. I wouldn't be surprised if my letter grade is lower because of it, naturally that quiz was one of my higher ones.
    Last edit by mitchsmom on Apr 21, '04
  7. by   truern
    hargrove, your "punishment" seemed a bit harsh, i believe..

    it was material from the book, for goodness sake...

    and mitchsmom's situation just doesn't seem fair, either...why punish the whole class for the actions of a few??

  8. by   caroladybelle
    . Double post
    Last edit by caroladybelle on Apr 21, '04
  9. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from bluesky
    I know many outstanding, moral folks in my class (not me, cuz I'm very picky about my writing) who have borrowed each other's papers.
    "Outstanding, moral folks" DON'T CHEAT!!!!!!!!!!!

    Kind of like saying that Ted Bundy was a really nice outstanding guy. Just because he was serial killer, doesn't mean anything.
  10. by   FutureNurse2005
    Getting booted out of the program is quite harsh, but then again, these people KNEW what the consequences could/would be and yet they still cheated. I just dont think there is room for cheaters in a class of people who work their butts off.

    I think they should be booted.
  11. by   Energizer Bunny
    Quote from meownsmile
    If there was an integrity statement that the students signed, they know the consequences they should have been spelled out in the written agreement and it should be followed. Making exceptions is doing nothing but nullifying the integrity of the whole program.
    I agree with this 100%!!!!
  12. by   NursePru
    They should at the very least fail the course. I don't understand people who attempt to cheat. You put way too much on the line, not to mention you really don't learn anything. I cheated once in second grade by writing words for a spelling test on my desk in pencil. I got caught and the teacher made a huge spectacle of it in front of the class and I got a zero on the test. At the time I was mortified, but looking back I am sooo glad the teacher did that. I've never considered cheating an option since then. After that I always did my work honestly and studied when I needed to. Had I kept getting away with it I can't say that I wouldn't have still tried it. Moral of this story is, whether it's in second grade or nursing school--the cheating needs to be stopped ASAP w/ these students. The more people get away with it the more they will do it. I would hate to see these students falsify info on the job one day to save their own butts. And it will happen, if they don't suffer the consequences. Getting a zero on the test is way to lenient--we are adults now.
  13. by   BunnyBunnyBSNRN
    My question is this...did the lender of the paper know the borrower was going to copy it? I ask this because many years ago (after working very hard on a paper) I loaned it to another student thinking that she wanted to look at it to get a feel for what other people had written. Turns out she copied my paper and turned it in as her own. Fortunately, the teacher knew me, and knew that I wouldn't cheat, so she only knocked 5 points off my paper (probably for stupidity :chuckle ) and gave the other person a zero.

    My point is, if the lender didn't know that the borrower was going to plagerize (did I spell that right?), why punish both?