Working as a nurse without a license - page 2

Hi everyone, I'm new to the board and I wanted to say hello. I also have a question. I recently read a post from someone who graduated from a pn program in 1998, failed the nclex the first time... Read More

  1. by   lpnga
    Where it says "competency checklist is completed during the program." I did one of these while in CNA training. Where I live a CNA is the same thing as a PCT 1..the girl I told you about has gone through all of the training and now is listed as a Medical Assistant......not trying to argue don't get mad...
  2. by   Teshiee
    no, you didn't upset anyone. We are just sick of fakers trying to pull off calling themselves nurses when they know d**** well they lack the credentials. You will also find some threads stirs ones insides at times with no meaness towards the one who writes it. :-)
  3. by   RN2B2005
    If she's not calling herself a nurse, and isn't practising as a nurse, why does it matter if she's working in a medical office as a medical assistant?

    I don't even see how this is a nursing issue. She's working as a medical assistant, on a physician's license, under his or her supervision. She doesn't have a nursing licence and she isn't trying to defraud anyone by claiming to have a nursing fact, she's done just the opposite. I don't even see how the Board of Nursing would have any input in this situation unless she represented herself as a licensed practical nurse, which she didn't.

    In Washington state, medical assistants are classified as assistive personnel under a specific physician's license. There are various categories of medical assistants ("health care assistants" under WA law), labelled category A-E. To obtain different certification levels, I believe you must past a competency exam or take classroom hours. Medical assistants who complete a one-year programme at a community college are eligible to take a national certification exam.

    The Department of Health Professions Quality Assurance Commission is the umbrella licensing department in this state, and medical assistants fall under the authority of the medical board, not the nursing board.

    I'll save my self-righteous huffing and puffing for real deceptions--people calling themselves nurses without having the license to back it up. A failed LPN candidate trying to scratch (legitimately) by on the periphery of the medical field doesn't hit me as much of a threat.
  4. by   dawngloves
    Holy cow! You just reminded me my license expires at the end of the month!!!!
  5. by   MishlB
    I was under the impression a medical assistant is a graduate of a medical assisting course, not an NCLEX flunkee.
  6. by   Nurse Ratched
    Originally posted by RN2B2005
    I'll save my self-righteous huffing and puffing for real deceptions--people calling themselves nurses without having the license to back it up.
    I think the original post states this person IS calling herself an "office nurse and medical assistant." But despite having graduated an LPN program, she does not have the licensure to call herself a nurse if she did not graduate the NCLEX-PN.

    Personally, I feel that calling a person a nurse who is not a nurse is wrong. It's a deceptive practice whether or not the deception is intentional or not. It further muddies the waters for the general public, many of whom are already clueless about what nurses are, what we do (and cannot do), and how we get to be nurses.

    I'm not going to get my undies in a twist about it either, tho, as long as the person is not overstepping the boundaries of their role (and as long as she's not working under MY license - in which case you bet your sweet patootie that I will know what exactly she is and what she can legally do.) There was a lengthy thread on this in the past (search for "nurse judy" if you missed it.)
    Last edit by Nurse Ratched on Mar 13, '03
  7. by   opalmRN
    Originally posted by Mint Julip
    She states she has been employed as an office nurse and medical assistant since then.

    Another case for Patient beware.

    Whatever happened to going to the doctor and knowing that the nurse on duty, was really a nurse.
  8. by   CCL"Babe"
    I have to say that this is something that really bothers me. The medical assistants at my doctors office call themselves "nurses" and they are not. They give out advice, not always correct, and patients who don't know better believe them. I know this happens elsewhere. Not sure how to prevent it, but it remains a pet peeve of mine.
  9. by   P_RN

    Doing a search here in there are 8 pages of this very discussion. The lady is a medical assistant. She is not a nurse. She may not call herself a nurse. Her employer may very well be calling her a nurse, but that is also wrong. Whatever she does or doesn't do is under the physician's license. Her malpractice is HIS problem.

    "Just because you call a thistle a rose does NOT make it so."
  10. by   RN auditor
    I worked side by side with a medical assistant. Although she never actually called herself a nurse she never clarified it with patients either. The physician I worked for treated us the same and it infuriated me. I lasted only a year there. I think giving someone the impression you are a nurse, even if you don't actually call yourself that, is wrong.
  11. by   tonchitoRN
    in Texas anyone can call themselves a nurse. the only terms that are legally protected are registered nurse and licenced practical nurse. food for thought.
  12. by   Edward,IL
    Any one holding themselves out as a Registered Nurse or Licensed Practical Nurse must have current licensure with their state BON. The IL BON sends a newsletter every so often, and I recall this being mentioned in the content of the letter that it is illegal to call yourself a nurse and/or perform tasks that require the education of a nurse (one example cited was patient teaching
    re breast feeding). Please correct this individual, inform her that we have title protection via our state nurses practice act. This is to keep out the riff-raff/Sairy Gamp type people y'all are talking about! Edward, IL
  13. by   jenac
    lpnga- thanks for the clarification. Very interesting thread. I agree with most of you. I worked hard for the right to call myself a nurse.