We make SO much $$$ - page 3
My whining on the "What's wrong with nursing management?" thread reminded me of a funny story. I was just a few weeks out of my ICU orientation, and I was talking to a family during visiting... Read More
Oct 1, '02Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 672; Likes: 29When I first met my husband, we both worked for the same employer. He worked for the university in computers, I worked for the university med center. We had both been there the same amount of time. We both had bachelor degrees. He made WAY more than I did. I am no longer there, but I gaurantee I wouldn't be getting raising like he gets.....he gets a 7-9% raise every year for the past 4 years. I'm in homecare now......make slightly more than I did in a hospital setting, basepay, then I get "mileage reimburement, cell phone reimburement"-what a joke. Our mileage is like 30 cents a mile, ever check gas prices lately? HA! And we get 36$ a month towards our cell phones. I use mine SOLELY for work, and my bill comes to at least 75$, sometimes more.
Ah well, I love to ***** about this, but do I ever do anything about it? No. What can one person do. There are no nursing unions in this area. Not sure if even that would matter? Sounds like we got it bad everywhere ya look. But do I want to stop nursing? No. Got me over a barrel, they do.
Oct 1, '02Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 16Is starting out at 14-16 good?? Geez..I know money isnt everything....but everything costs!
Oct 1, '02Occupation: Diabetes educator, Telephone triage Specialty: 31 year(s) of experience in Everything but psych! ; Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 1,265; Likes: 26At one point when I was ready to become a crispy critter, I defined a nurse as a waitress who served healthcare.
I think we make about the same as teachers do. However, we work 12 months, and they work 9.
Oct 1, '02Occupation: RN Case Manager Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 4,945; Likes: 27I don't know what you all are complaining about. Why just yesterday I rolled out of the Jaguar dealership with a top of the line 2002 model and went home to my sprawling 4,000 square foot estate that I can afford quite easily with my nursing salary........... in my head......
Oct 1, '02Occupation: RN, MS home health Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 7,472; Likes: 49I have quite a few friends that make triple what I make working with computers.The auto workers at the plant where I used to live make more. The garbage men here make 17 per hour.
Heather your post made me laugh....
Oct 1, '02Occupation: I am a nurse's assistant for a hospital. Joined: May '02; Posts: 28Okay now, let's don't scare the poor MS and AL nursing students. I've been checking into hospitals around Southern Mississippi and the avg. RN starting pay is about 18.00/hour. Also, some hospitals pay up to 2 or 3 dollars more per hour for BSN, not to mention shift differentials. Now to some of you who have actually worked as nurses for some time (I'm still a student), I'm sure that isn't that much money. However, to a strugling student who's getting by on 5.36/hour as a CNA (PRN), it sounds pretty good to me. Also, I'm looking into CRNA school and those salaries sound really good to me.
Oct 1, '02Occupation: RN IT Analyst Specialty: 14 year(s) of experience in ED, House Supervisor, IT ; Joined: Dec '01; Posts: 108I used to be one that complained about not making enough. But as the years go by, you ask how much is enough? Every one complains they don't make enough but never give an amount that would be fair. If we raised the basic salary to $30/hr for every nurse, there would be someone who would say that is not enough. If you make more an hour will that make your job less stressful? As some say, be glad you have a job that pays. At least you have done something with your life and make a difference.
On another point, how is the nursing profession going to approach management demanding better pay when we can't even get along or agree with others on "many" issues. We are a profession divided that needs to come together and quit the bickering and back stabbing. Act like a professional and you will be paid like one.
Oct 1, '02Occupation: NICU RN Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 2,537; Likes: 369Originally posted by LasVegasRN
I don't know what you all are complaining about. Why just yesterday I rolled out of the Jaguar dealership with a top of the line 2002 model and went home to my sprawling 4,000 square foot estate that I can afford quite easily with my nursing salary........... in my head......
Oct 1, '02Occupation: RN, Intensive care Joined: Nov '00; Posts: 61; Likes: 1i agree with all of you we should get paid more for the things we have to do on an everyday basis, but going into this i knew I was not going to making big money unless I went to crna school. I am content with the 45-50k I will make this year with 3 yrs experience this includes shift diff. and roughly 8-12 hrs OT amonth.
Oct 1, '02Occupation: registered nurse Joined: Nov '01; Posts: 1,083; Likes: 14nurses need more money!
yes the starting pay is 14 to 17 dollars base pay here., with some night and or weekend diff. very little diff for BSN 25 cents to a dollar depending on hospital.
Oct 2, '02Joined: Aug '01; Posts: 3,725; Likes: 459I do agree that nurses need to be paid more, but by the same token, when is enough enough?
I am a CNA until I get my paper license for LPN (hopefully any day now) and I make 11.50 an hour.
Now, where I come from, that in itself is a healthy sum, considering the most I ever made at any other job was $8 something.
Personally, I think that a person can be content in whatever stage they are in, including how much money they make.
Have you ever noticed that the more money someone makes, the more materialistic they become? Sad, isn't it? But I see it every day...even in my own husband. Since I've gotten closer to having my LPN license, he's decided he wants a motorcycle and a boat.....something we never would have need of before. Nice things to have, yes....but I prefer to pay things off first and save a bit.
So therefore, I try to be content with whatever I have.
Oct 2, '02Occupation: ED RN Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 2,475; Likes: 25I'd like to preface this by saying I'm not a nurse yet, I don't know what it's really like, and I'm not arguing with the idea that nurses should make more money.
With that in mind, I don't think it's as black-and-white between different careers. As someone currently working in the computer/tech industry, I've seen first-hand the amount of work some engineers do. I used to work for a company whose business hours were 24/7. I personally called in the high-paid engineers in the middle of the night for business emergencies. Often. Yes, they got paid A LOT, but they also worked like dogs. And they didn't get overtime. One business manager there literally worked 19-20 hour days every day. He'd go home to shower, grab an hour or two of sleep, and come back. Now the company's stock is around $1 and change. Almost all of the employees were laid off. Many, many employees lost money by investing in their stock (myself included).
I have friends who've been laid off for almost a year now. They had to move from NYC because the cost of living was so high, and they couldn't find jobs. One of them was in the tech field.
There are advantages and disadvantages to almost any field. But yes, I wish nurses were paid more too. Especially since I'm going to become one!!
Oct 2, '02Occupation: RN in Quality Dept/Case Mgt Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 447; Likes: 20Let me first say, I agree....nurses do NOT get paid enough.
My son and I got jobs almost the same time: I was a new RN grad and he was still in college, but had several certificates for computer programming and was working on his bachelors' degree in computers. I went to work for the local hospital. He went to work for a foreign car manuf. I was 46, he was 19.
I made $15/hr........he made $18!!!!!!!!!!!!
He was also given benefits to die for, guaranteed raises, end-of-year bonuses, etc.
Now the down side....the car manuf job was for a very well-known, huge company. The foreign manuf does have a very different work-ethic. Son was expected to work 16-20 hours, 5-6 days a week. He was also trying to go to school at the same time. He had no social life, and ended up after 3 years, burned-out, exhausted, and on the verge of being in a depression. Hubby and I stepped in...son has moved back home (temp I hope! hahaha) QUIT the job, and is in school full-time. He will grad in June.
I am still at the same hospital, now make $23 hour (I take pay instead of benefits) and plan to complete a BSN.
So who has the better deal? His looked better at first.
I also have several friends who are teachers. And I have worked for a local vocational school as a nurse aide teacher. As for the statement that teachers work "9 months a year"......baloney. At the most, teachers get 6 weeks off. At the end of the year there are myriad details to complete, and while the summer is still in full session, the teachers go back to their rooms to get started for the next year. Not to mention all the meetings, parents, admins, and so on they must deal with. Teachers also need (as do nurses) to keep up their credentialing and have to complete classes each year.
That said.....I think sometimes it is a case of "the grass is always greener..." We all have numbing, disgusting details in our jobs. I have yet to find that "perfect" job. I have worked in factory jobs at VERY good wages. Why am I not still there? BORING BORING BORING
So one needs to ask: WHY am I a (fill in the blank here). If $$$ drives your choices ( and as they used to say on the Seinfeld show " Not that there is anything WRONG with that...) well, then nursing, teaching etc. is maybe NOT the wisest choice. If you are driven by adrenaline, mental challenges, love people, love education as a never-ending endeavor, love technology, etc., then nursing MIGHT be a good choice. One thing another poster here said, the jobs are certainly there for us right now, and an endless variety of them, too.
Well, enough....But I am sure no Pollyanna........we have to STAND UP for ourselves, strive for recognition as PROFESSIONALS, and continue to work for better staffing ratios, working conditions, and better wages. We certainly can't do this from outside the circle...we need to do it from within - within ourselves and within our chosen profession.