Proof There's No Nursing Shortage: Show RN's the MONEY

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This is a case study in how the nursing shortage is really a myth. When you pay RN’s really well and give them great benefits … the shortage, for the most part, disappears. The real solution to the nursing shortage is paying RN’s more money.

This post is going to be long, but I think you’ll find it interesting. Just a little over a year ago, the California Department of Corrections had an RN staff vacancy rate of 40 percent. However, since the level of care was substandard, inmates had filed a lawsuit where a federal judge and receiver took over the prison healthcare system.

To improve the level of care, the judge ordered pay raises last year where corrections RN’s made nearly $80K a year with full state benefits, which are excellent … much better, actually, than most private hospitals. Despite claims that they’re doing everything they can to attract nurses, many hospitals (at least in my area) have actually cut back on benefits (especially pensions) in the last couple of years.

With the first court ordered pay raise, the vacancy rate dropped from 40 percent to 15 percent, which is about the same as staff vacancy rates at California hospitals in my area. That’s a 25 percent reduction in staff vacancies in just a few months. And, this is in California where we supposedly have less nurses per capita than any state other than Alaska.

But the judge didn’t stop there. Since the average California RN already makes more than $70K a year on average, and the judge wanted the prisons to be fully staffed, he ordered yet another pay raise … nearly $90K to start at most facilities beginning this year and, even more pay in the Bay area where the pay and cost of living is higher. Once you put some time in, the pay gets up to $100K at most facilities.

As you know, to make that kind of money with a lot of hospital RN jobs it’s not unusual to have to work two jobs and/or a ton of overtime as well as forfeiting benefits like health insurance, etc. But corrections RN’s did not have to forfeit any benefits in this case. And, while $100K may not be great pay in the Bay Area, it’s fantastic pay in other areas of the state, including where I live.

The result? Not only were the five state prisons in my area fully staffed with RN’s BUT … I discovered that over 3,000 RN’s are now waiting to get hired by the Department of Corrections statewide! In my particular area, each prison had a waiting list of 200-300 RN’s! With a few exceptions, the only available positions were in more rural, isolated areas which have always been difficult to staff.

Could you ever imagine 3,000 RN’s standing in line waiting for jobs at hospitals? Not in a million years but, that’s what’s happened with California Corrections in just a few months because they’re paying so well.

Here’s yet another example of no real nursing shortage. When I realized that the state prisons in my area were fully staffed and there was a waiting list for those jobs, I also applied for positions at the mental health department because they, at least, had some openings. While those RN’s got some but not all of the court ordered pay raises that the corrections RN’s did … the pay and benefits were still much better than local hospitals in my area.

BUT … when I went to the qualifying exam, I discovered that I was competing with 75 RN’s for eight positions. 75 RN’s! That means there were at least 9 RN’s competing for each position. Could you ever imagine 75 RN’s competing for vacancies at any hospital?

It was even worse at the prisons, where the pay is higher. One of the HR staffers told me that when rare openings do occur, there’s at least 30 RN’s competing for each position. 30 RN’s! It was quite a shock, actually. Usually, I could walk into any private hospital and get a job tomorrow, but definitely NOT in this case because the pay and benefits are so much better.

I think the court ordered pay raises have proven that if you don’t nickel and dime RN’s to death and … when you eliminate a bunch of hospital middle men who line their own pockets at RN’s expense … the nursing shortage, for the most part, disappears.

P.S. I did eventually get hired on by corrections in spite of the waiting list but, I had to jump through a bunch of hoops … including getting some prison nursing experience that apparently helped me stand out from dozens of other competing applicants. I just find it ironic that with the supposed nursing shortage in California, I really had to bend over backwards and work every angle I could to get this job.

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Specializes in Junior Year of BSN.
Not everyone who is locked up is guilty. You or someone you love could be wrongly accused, convicted, and locked up tomorrow. Then you would feel differently about who should or should not get good health care in prison. There but for the grace of God go you and I.

As for mental health care being for the good of someone other than the mentally ill person - well, yes, but what about the poor suffering mentally ill individual? They did not ask to be born with a sick brain, they did not ask to be victims of personality changes due to head trauma that was induced in a MVA or assault that was in no way their fault. They have to suffer the side effects of psychotropics, which is no laughing matter. They must live a lifetime as 2nd class citizens because they are not able to fully function in the world, due to an illness that is no more their fault than is a, let's say, cleft palate or other birth defect. Have a heart, Hopefull2009. Does the hopeful part mean you are hoping to be an RN?

Very nicely said!

what i meant was that if all hospitals had the same pay scale then the % of nurse would be spread evenily throught out based on individual preference

if the pay was higher some of the nurses not now active would return to the work force but probably not enough to get the staffing up to par and it would not solve the fact that we are going to have a lot of retiring nurses and a high increase aging citizens

i think that nurses would return to the work force in large numbers if there was an emergency like a pandemic or natural disaster but they have earned their right to a happy retirement otherwise

And you know this how? For the last 20 years nursing wages, for the most part nationwide, have barely kept up with inflation ...

We've never really had a situation where most nurses were paid really well so, I'm not sure how you could predict that we still would have staffing shortage in that scenario.

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The acute care hospital where I used to live conducted a downsizing. They started with departments other than nursing, then got to nursing. An acquaintance who was working in one of the ancillary departments told me about it. She described her "buyout" (very enticing), and told about the effect that the downsizing was having on staff in general, according to talk that was going around.

This whole situation got me to thinking long and hard about nursing and how "secure" a line of work it really is. I got to experience this first hand when I got downsized myself.

What really drove home the hypocrisy of the situation to me: a few months after my friend told me about the nurses being encouraged to leave, this very same hospital ran banner ads in the newspaper of the nearest large city for, you guessed it, various nursing positions. (In all the years previous, and since, I have never seen newspaper ads for this particular hospital.) Even I could figure out that all the hospital wanted to do was to replace experienced, well paid, nurses with seniority, with (perhaps; new grads??) inexperienced, bottom of the pay scale, nurses with "new hire" seniority.

People who had no knowledge of what went on would be clueless until they came on board. People, like me, who knew something about it, get a bad taste in their mouth about that employer. After all, that was a place I was considering for a job. Who wants to work at a place where you can expect to be "encouraged" out as soon as your pay reaches a certain level? And being offered lower scale benefits is a morale downer before you even start.

So nobody can convince me that there is such a widespread, honest, concern about a nursing "shortage". When a facility's management is concerned about their nursing staffing levels, they don't run off the nurses that are working for them.

It could be but ... when you consider the fact that 500,000 licensed RN's choose NOT to work in this country ...

Better pay and benefits would probably be enough of an incentive to get them back into the work force.

Okay, I've been a RN since 1975. I have seen at least 4 "nursing shortages" in my career. The responses have always been the same, the schools bend over backwards to create new nurses and the "shortage" gets worse. Then one or two employers say to hell with it and do a dramatic increase in pay. Within a year or two the other employers have aligned themselves with the higher paying employers and there is no nursing shortage anymore. When I started working there wasn't a shortage of nurses and starting pay (in today's dollars) was about 15 to 16 dollars an hour. New Grads can start for the state of Wisconsin at 25 dollars an hour, 120 hours vacation time, 36 hours personal holiday and 72 hours legal holiday time. Plus weekend, PM, and holiday differentials. We do not currently have a "nursing shortage" here or at the other hospitals in the area. Now I predict that in 2 to 5 years, wages will have stagnated and working conditions will not have improved and many nurses will drop out of nursing. One thing that will impact adversely and possibly cause a true nursing shortage is that many of the "Boomer" nurses (including your's truly) will not just drop out, they will retire completely. Nurses are only valuable when there is a lack of them. Take care of yourselves because I'm retiring in August.:monkeydance: :lol2: Alan

I agree. Nurses earn around $45-55,000/year in most areas. That is less than a skilled carpenter or grocery store manager. Pay needs to be closer to $75,000/year thoroughout most of the country. The only region that is keeping salaries rising fast enough is Northern California. I guess having a strong union helps.

what i meant was that if all hospitals had the same pay scale then the % of nurse would be spread evenily throught out based on individual preference

if the pay was higher some of the nurses not now active would return to the work force but probably not enough to get the staffing up to par and it would not solve the fact that we are going to have a lot of retiring nurses and a high increase aging citizens

It is true that we have a lot of older nurses who are in the process of retiring. However ... 30 percent of the non-working RN's in this country (about 150,000 RN's) also have young children so, presumably they're not retiring anytime soon. A lot of them are probably like Snugglibumkins, who don't find nursing wages high enough to justify child care and other costs.

What we do know is that even small wage increases reduce the number of non-working RN's. When adjusted wages increased by $3K from 2000 to 2004, the number of non-working RN's dropped for the first time ... and 7,000 more non-working RN's returned to the work force nationwide.

Imagine what substantial pay raises would do, as is the case with California Corrections where 3,000 RN's are waiting to get hired in just one state. Even if you want to argue that we'd still have a shortage with the aging population, etc. we'd obviously have a lot less of a shortage if nurses were paid a lot better.

ftp://ftp.hrsa.gov/bhpr/workforce/0306rnss.pdf

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Specializes in LTC, Psych, M/S.
It is true that we have a lot of older nurses who are in the process of retiring. However ... 30 percent of the non-working RN's in this country (about 150,000 RN's) also have young children so, presumably they're not retiring anytime soon. A lot of them are probably like Snugglibumkins, who don't find nursing wages high enough to justify child care and other costs.

Not only is childcare expensive, but I was not able to find a child care center that would accommodate nursing hours - so I had to turn down an acute care position. My DD is 12 months old, and I work NOCS shift in a psych facility only b/c they offer a set schedule and 8 hr shifts so I only need a sitter from 6AM-8AM 2x a week(from when my DH leaves and I get home) but still, I have had problems finding people to do this for me - the centers generally don't open until 7AM.....

I also am not a big believer that there is a 'nursing shortage' at this time but there will be one in 10 years or so, when many RNs will retire.

Specializes in PEDS ~ PP ~ NNB & LII Nursery.

The year I started nursing school my sister-in-law got a job at the post office. She has nothing higher than a high school education and required no special skills.

3 years later I have student loans to pay off and am trying my best to climb out of the dept created from school. I am making $3 LESS an hour than she is now. I have peoples lives in my hands, she has their mail.

Don't get me wrong. I love my sister-in-law dearly and am VERY happy for her. That wasn't my point. My point is... Why does a mail carrier make more than an RN?

I also agree with the OP. The USPS has a waiting list of people wanting hired. Our local hospital does not. I think better wages would increase applicants across the board. There are 2 hospitals within 60 miles of us that pay considerably better than ours. They also have no shortage. In fact, one of them has a 1% turn over. That (to me) speaks volumes! When they pay more, their nurses feel valued. In the end I believe that is what we are truly asking for. It isn't really about the bottom dollar but just simply saying, "hey! Your MD's, Administration Staff and CEO's mean enough to you to receive a very lucrative pay. Why don't I?"

rags

You're right, there is no nursing shortage. Just as there is no shortage of doctors or engineers. This is an excuse to import (mostly from third world countries) those whom would work cheaper then Americans. The problem for 'them' is that eventually, once the immigrant worker gets comfortable here they then demand higher wages. It is the same two tier wage system that the manufacturing companies started in the '80s.

Years ago, I worked at a county jail, not in the medical field though, and there were very few RNs. There would be one RN per shift but by and large the medical unit was staffed by LVNs. And yes in many emergency situations the staff was slow to respond mainly because alot of inmates did, I won't say fake it, but it was stressful for some especially if they had never been to jail before and I think it played out medically------kind of like kids in school.

Specializes in ER, Cardiology, and GYN long ago.

Well, for what it's worth.... I agree with you, if you increase wages, you'll have more staff. Period. I've seen it happen more than once.

Not only do nurses drop out of the workforce because it doesn't pay enough for childcare, etc., other nurses, like me, drop out because they can make signficantly more money doing other things. I loved nursing, but I make significantly more money with about the same amount of stress as a lawyer, so I went that route. At least 10 other nurses from my 100 person nursing school class have gone on to do other non-nursing things as well for the same reason.

Specializes in corrections, LTC, pre-op.
This is a case study in how the nursing shortage is really a myth. When you pay RN's really well and give them great benefits ... the shortage, for the most part, disappears. The real solution to the nursing shortage is paying RN's more money.

This post is going to be long, but I think you'll find it interesting. Just a little over a year ago, the California Department of Corrections had an RN staff vacancy rate of 40 percent. However, since the level of care was substandard, inmates had filed a lawsuit where a federal judge and receiver took over the prison healthcare system.

To improve the level of care, the judge ordered pay raises last year where corrections RN's made nearly $80K a year with full state benefits, which are excellent ... much better, actually, than most private hospitals. Despite claims that they're doing everything they can to attract nurses, many hospitals (at least in my area) have actually cut back on benefits (especially pensions) in the last couple of years.

With the first court ordered pay raise, the vacancy rate dropped from 40 percent to 15 percent, which is about the same as staff vacancy rates at California hospitals in my area. That's a 25 percent reduction in staff vacancies in just a few months. And, this is in California where we supposedly have less nurses per capita than any state other than Alaska.

But the judge didn't stop there. Since the average California RN already makes more than $70K a year on average, and the judge wanted the prisons to be fully staffed, he ordered yet another pay raise ... nearly $90K to start at most facilities beginning this year and, even more pay in the Bay area where the pay and cost of living is higher. Once you put some time in, the pay gets up to $100K at most facilities.

As you know, to make that kind of money with a lot of hospital RN jobs it's not unusual to have to work two jobs and/or a ton of overtime as well as forfeiting benefits like health insurance, etc. But corrections RN's did not have to forfeit any benefits in this case. And, while $100K may not be great pay in the Bay Area, it's fantastic pay in other areas of the state, including where I live.

The result? Not only were the five state prisons in my area fully staffed with RN's BUT ... I discovered that over 3,000 RN's are now waiting to get hired by the Department of Corrections statewide! In my particular area, each prison had a waiting list of 200-300 RN's! With a few exceptions, the only available positions were in more rural, isolated areas which have always been difficult to staff.

Could you ever imagine 3,000 RN's standing in line waiting for jobs at hospitals? Not in a million years but, that's what's happened with California Corrections in just a few months because they're paying so well.

Here's yet another example of no real nursing shortage. When I realized that the state prisons in my area were fully staffed and there was a waiting list for those jobs, I also applied for positions at the mental health department because they, at least, had some openings. While those RN's got some but not all of the court ordered pay raises that the corrections RN's did ... the pay and benefits were still much better than local hospitals in my area.

BUT ... when I went to the qualifying exam, I discovered that I was competing with 75 RN's for eight positions. 75 RN's! That means there were at least 9 RN's competing for each position. Could you ever imagine 75 RN's competing for vacancies at any hospital?

It was even worse at the prisons, where the pay is higher. One of the HR staffers told me that when rare openings do occur, there's at least 30 RN's competing for each position. 30 RN's! It was quite a shock, actually. Usually, I could walk into any private hospital and get a job tomorrow, but definitely NOT in this case because the pay and benefits are so much better.

I think the court ordered pay raises have proven that if you don't nickel and dime RN's to death and ... when you eliminate a bunch of hospital middle men who line their own pockets at RN's expense ... the nursing shortage, for the most part, disappears.

P.S. I did eventually get hired on by corrections in spite of the waiting list but, I had to jump through a bunch of hoops ... including getting some prison nursing experience that apparently helped me stand out from dozens of other competing applicants. I just find it ironic that with the supposed nursing shortage in California, I really had to bend over backwards and work every angle I could to get this job.

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Well I will be a RN come the end of this month (if I pass the NCLEX ) and am being offered $22.00 an hr. I have experience with corrections and am working as a LPN there now. I want to know what you guys think about that rate? At LTC the LPN's at some places are making $22.50 an hr. I like my job but want to be treated fairly. Feed back please!
Specializes in PEDS ~ PP ~ NNB & LII Nursery.
Well I will be a RN come the end of this month (if I pass the NCLEX ) and am being offered $22.00 an hr. I have experience with corrections and am working as a LPN there now. I want to know what you guys think about that rate? At LTC the LPN's at some places are making $22.50 an hr. I like my job but want to be treated fairly. Feed back please!

I strongly believe that it depends on the environment and the area you live in. Pay should only be 1 factor in deciding if a certain job or facility is right for you and if the pay is a fair one.

rags

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