Partial Birth Abortion

[sunnygirl272]

curious where people's thoughts are.

[Hellllllo Nurse, BSN, RN]

Originally posted by sunnygirl272

absolutely not. this implies that those who are pro-choice are anti-life.

I agree. But, isn't that the reason for the "pro-life" moniker?

Isn't that their point, to make those of us whom are pro-choice appear that we must therfore be anti-life?

The same reasoning/tactics are behind why commercials for SUVs, gasoline/oil companies, etc., nearly always show scenes of nature and animals in their ads.

They want to associate their image with the environment, the very thing that they most harm.

Not trying to start any controversy or anything, not trying to change any opinions.

Just commenting.

[Sleepyeyes]

I used to be pro-choice. Then new developments in science educated us as to what really goes on in the womb.

This is definitely a case where our culture needs to get a grip on fetal reality.

PBA is particularly atrocious, IMO. Against.

[sunnygirl272]

Originally posted by Hellllllo Nurse

I agree. But, isn't that the reason for the "pro-life" moniker?

Isn't that their point, to make those of us whom are pro-choice appear that we must therfore be anti-life?

.......Not trying to start any controversy or anything, not trying to change any opinions.

Just commenting.

that is the exact reason that i refuse to use the term "pro-life".....

[KaroSnowQueen, RN]

I am pro=life and am adamantly against PBAs. What possible situation could there be that would make this an ethical and desirable procedure? If the baby is deformed, has a dreadful physical situation sure to bring death, then induce labor, do a section, let the poor child die with dignity and give the parents a chance to say goodbye and have some closure.

I cannot think of any reason to do this even for a late abortion, it seems so barbaric and crude.

In all my years of nursing, 19 of them, I have only heard of TWO cases where abortion (or in the first case, early delivery with questionable outcome) was truly necessary to save the mother's life. In the first case, they did a section and the baby survived, and actually went home before the mother, who did finally get well too. In the second case, They did a section and the child was buried. Most pregnant women who by some chance do get in the situation of mother's life vs. baby's life, would want to bury their baby and make decent ending, not have him pulled out and stabbed in the head, for pity's sake. This is so nasty and unreal that this is even a real procedure.

[fergus51]

Pro choice and not in favor of any bans on any of them, generally because I subscribe to the slippery slope train of thought.

I would like to know the actual number of these performed each year and under what circumstances. They still aren't focusing on the real problems like why we have so many unwanted pregnancies each year and how can we act to decrease them and thus the HUGE number of therapeutic abortions. They are focusing on a tiny tiny piece of the problem.

[sjoe]

It would be nice if people would plan ahead better than they currently do, but they don't. When done for other than birth control reasons, sometimes there is simply insufficient evidence until the last minute.

[BadBird, BSN, RN]

I think the decision is entirely up to the patient and her doctor.

[kimmicoobug]

I kind of had to swing between pro life and pro choice. I guess I am not to sure what my stance is, to be honest. I know that I could never do it. However, in whatever my position is...I am totally against it except in situations in which mom's life could be compromised.

[VivaLasViejas, ASN, RN]

I've always been something of a fence-sitter when it comes to the abortion issue, although if push comes to shove, I have to come down on the side of women making that decision for themselves, rather than having some man dictate what they can or cannot do with their own uteri.

Partial-birth abortion is another thing entirely, namely MURDER, and it's got to go.....I don't know how anyone can, in good conscience, support the "right" to kill a viable infant, especially in such a barbaric manner.

[danu3]

. . . should have been phrased pro-choice or pro-life . .just to be fair. :-)

Glad to see both sides (granted only 5 votes so far) are equally disgusted by this procedure.

Probably a more neutral term is pro-abortion and anti-abortion. Also it is more accurate in terms of describing the issue at hand without demonizing one side or another. The reason is that the primary issue is abortion not a secondary issue of choice or life (one look at the secondary issues (choice or life) to arrive at a conclusion for the primary issue of abortion).

-Dan

[fergus51]

I thought the real issue was the legality of abortion if you want to get real picky;). I wouldn't consider myself pro-abortion, but I want them to remain legal.

[danu3]

I thought the real issue was the legality of abortion if you want to get real picky;). I wouldn't consider myself pro-abortion, but I want them to remain legal.

Actually you are right. So we could have pro/anti-legalize-abortion? Come to think of it, this whole thing is not really black and white. There are people in between. Hmmm... I am going to a new poll, this should be interesting... thanks for getting me thinking again :) This is going to get me into trouble, I just know it...:)

-Dan