new twist on the old "would you encourage your daughter to be a nurse" question - page 2
My daughter is 29, works in IT at a very good job I might add. We were cleaning her stuff out of her room. She and her hubby have had there own home for over year now but you know how it takes a... Read More
Oct 14, '02Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 29; Likes: 4I graduated in 93 with a BSN. Couldn't find a job anywhere in the burgh! I continued to work as a CNA for a few months and moved down south where I got a job right away.
As far as encouraging my daughter, she tells me she wants to be a nurse like mommy (she's five) I'm sure she'll change her mind a few times between now and then, but if she doesn't I would back her up. I would just make sure she was well informed as to what she was getting into.
Oct 14, '02Occupation: pre-nursing student, secretary - non-medical Joined: Jan '01; Posts: 1,761; Likes: 46Hi All,
I just wanted to say that I agree with N2B has said and reiterate her statement.
I graduated College with a BS, not in nursing, back in December of '97. There are very few people that I graduated with that are working in the field that they have a degree in. That is if they were lucky enough to find a job at all. And the few that are in their chosen field aren't that happy doing what they are doing and their jobs really aren't that great, don't pay much, can't move up, etc.
And I know that women these days have a lot more career choices but there is still a lot of underlying resentment and bias towards women in once male dominated professions. At least that is what I have found in Pittsburgh. God help you if you are a minority too.
Oct 14, '02Occupation: pre-nursing student, secretary - non-medical Joined: Jan '01; Posts: 1,761; Likes: 46PS, I know some things can be misconstrued and I just wanted to add that what I meant about my last statement about being a minority is that my husband is a minority so maybe I'm a little more sensitive to it but there are very few minorities that have key positions in business' here in Pittsburgh. In fact, there are very few minorities at all. My husband had an opportunity to do consulting work for another company other than the one he is currently working for. I think he was out in Chicago. He was really impressed and excited to see how many minorities this company had working for them. At his office of about 100 he is the only one. And I can say that the company I currently work for with a staff of about 168 there are none.
Oct 14, '02Occupation: RN, PICC Team Specialty: Critical Care, Emergency, Infusion ; Joined: Jan '01; Posts: 233; Likes: 9Originally posted by np2b
. . .but I thought it might also be worth considering that very few of us really know what we want to be when we grow up while we're in college.
She has heard me complain about nursing -- not the job of nursing, but the politics of nursing (I am a 1995 graduate) -- since day one. I was so surprised when she told me she wanted to be a nurse. However, deep down inside I believe she chose nursing because I am and she doesn't really know what she wants to do but felt pressured into choosing something. I will not be surprised if she changes her major while in college. I hope she does, because I really do not want her to be a nurse if the conditions continue as they are. She is so sweet, I am afraid the people in medicine (doctors, managers, administrators) will eat her alive!
Oct 14, '02Occupation: Registered Nurse From: US ; Joined: Nov '99; Posts: 829; Likes: 166It's true many people get their degree and end up working in some other field entirely. I graduted in 98 w/ my BS in Nursing. I was absolutely passionate about being an RN and helping others. My mom was glad I was going for the BS degree "just in case nursing didn't work out." I thought she was crazy! I knew I had made the right choice by becoming an RN.
But just 4 years later, I am slowly making plans to leave. It's not that I don't like being a nurse. I do. But the environment of healthcare today is unsafe & unhealthy.I don't regret becoming a nurse. I just resent that I am expected to work in such shoddy conditions. There are other careers where I can "help others," work hard and be creative, still get a lunch break, and not have to work overtime every single *&%$#! day. I am so burned out on putting myself last. I do it everyday as a "nurse."
I don't think my education & skills will go to waste. Nurses are awesome & I know my skills will transfer well into many other professions.
Working conditions are so harsh, I would hesitate to encourage someone to be a nurse. I would recommend that they do several job shadows and work in the field 1st, to see what it's really like. True, there are many wonderful opportunities in nursing. But I think many of us had no idea what we were in for.
I never expected that this was where I would end up. But I am taking my wonderful experience in nursing & planning to move on in the next 1-2 years. I will never forget the ecstatic joy I felt when I got my acceptance letter to nursing school, or the time I passed boards, and that 1st job offer! *sigh*
But life's an adventure! I have other passions & I am heading into a whole new career. I know I will have other exciting moments in my future career, even if it's not in nursing...I'll miss it though, I have to admit.
Oct 14, '02Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 5,673; Likes: 159Great thread and great points made all around.
Kona, you are right that education is never wasted and nurses have many transferable skills that are welcome in other professions too.
As I look around me at the hospital now, I see most nurses in my area are imports. I guess this is our future as a profession.
I interviewed for a teaching position last week at a local LVN school and they warned me most of my students will be subsidized/sponsored 'imports' and much of my job would involve cultural education.
Thought that was interesting and a strange commentary on our profession's future as well.
Oct 14, '02Occupation: RN, NP Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 479; Likes: 96Originally posted by mattsmom81
Great thread and great points made all around.
quote<As I look around me at the hospital now, I see most nurses in my area are imports. I guess this is our future as a profession.>
Would you elaborate on this mattsmom81: your definition of 'imports' and how you could tell by 'looking'
quote <I interviewed for a teaching position last week at a local LVN school and they warned me most of my students will be subsidized/sponsored 'imports' and much of my job would involve cultural education.>
Again, I find it VERY difficult to believe that employers are providing 'subsidized/sponsored' assistance to LVN students who are 'imports'. I thought this had been clearly discussed in another thread where no one who responded(foreign RNs) knew of or had heard of any such subsidized or sponsored student financial aid!!!
The only assistance is for VISA assistance or the like, certainly not for a RN or LVN educational assistance. Perhaps these were foreign RNs who were to be working as LVNs?
<Thought that was interesting and a strange commentary on our profession's future as well.
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Oct 14, '02Joined: May '00; Posts: 2,065; Likes: 8Should I discourage her?
Did you let yourself be discouraged?
I know I didn't. My daughter knows my stories, my friends stories and the stories of her Grandparents.
She wants to be a nurse?
I AM SO PROUD OF HER!!
Oct 14, '02Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 5,673; Likes: 159I've been gone awhile so guess I missed some of the earlier discussion on imports....sorry if it's been rehashed.
There apparently IS some form of recruitment of students from foreign countries at this particular school; as the director of THIS particular school made general reference to it and that both facilities' AND government assistance are at play here. She did not give details other than what I've posted. The areas of recruitment she made specific reference to in my interview were the African countries and the need for instructors to address cultural/language issues in clinical and classroom instruction.
If I get the job I will be happy to post more details as I learn them. I posted my surprise at hearing this in my interview.....not a blasting of the practice...just surprise and felt it worthy of comment on this thread.
Just curious...as an instructor in Europe are you expected to provide cultural and language education (to those outside your own) as well as nursing/medical education? Perhaps this is universal...I do not know as this is my first instructor interview..
Sorry if I offend......not intended...cultural sensitivities are a big buzzword today but I think we should also be able to comment/discuss without being offended at another's observation TOO easily.Last edit by mattsmom81 on Oct 14, '02
Oct 14, '02Occupation: returned nurse Joined: Nov '98; Posts: 7,097; Likes: 5,234That thing about people changing jobs and careers reguardless of what field they are in is absolutely true. They also change majors a lot when they are in college. I just think that it a little more freqent in nusing. However, I have no proof of that fact just a gut feeling.
Oct 15, '02Occupation: PCU/TELE Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 489; Likes: 13Would I encourage or discourage her? That's hard to say, if she had her heart set on being a nurse and couldn't see herself doing anything else then I would encourage her. On the other hand, if she was unsure I would encourage her to NOT enter nursing. Let's face it nursing is physically hard, emotionally draining, under paid, and under respected- why would I want this for my child? Nursing is not a career, it's more like a calling- if you have a vocation than you accept nursing and all it's failures, if you do not have a vocation you'll never make it.
Oct 15, '02Occupation: lpn/rsp Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 251; Likes: 3as a daughter,granddaughter,neice of a nurse, I was discouraged about the nursing career,when I did decided to go into nursing I went in with my eyes wide open, of course they were all proud of me and I heard alot of"following in the footsteps and carring on the family tradition" I have no ideal if I would encourage lori or chris for that matter to go into nursing, like me it will be their decision,
although lori did recently tell my adm. I am the new nurse here my name is lori" she was decked out in my stethascope and gloves and had a name tag on that said "queen nurse" It was the only time I have ever seen that man smile
Oct 15, '02Joined: May '00; Posts: 2,065; Likes: 8to Mattsmom81
No, I am not offended at all, why should I be?
No we don't give specific language classes, but we have a lot of foreign students, who aren't able to master German (in our case) fluently, when they start training, so of course I help them (and my collegues do the same thing)
As for the cultural thing, during teaching and classes this happens all the time, problem is, you don't always have the time to discuss things at length during class.
that is one of the reasons I like to go and have a simple dinner with students or go for a coffee.
And of course Madeleine Leininger and her theories are high on my list of theorists, which I teach.
take care, Renee