New Slant on ADN vs BSN: are ADN programs anti-intellectual? - page 2

I was preparing some med sheets that a group of my classmates and I made up for the medications we were given as likely meds to be given. While doing this, I learned an interesting fact: that if... Read More

  1. by   SmilingBluEyes
    "weird edu-speak"? I am baffled by that one.
  2. by   NurseFirst
    Quote from smilingblueyes
    "weird edu-speak"? i am baffled by that one.
    speaking from a phrase-book for teachers and educators. a corresponding phrase book can be found for people who are in aa, or in therapy, or even medicine. for instance, in the movie "same time next year" alan alda was speaking in such a way that the woman said (laughingly) "so when did you go into therapy?".

    it's just like the phrase you used: "i am going to ask you politely". it sounds like some kind of phrase that someone who is restraining their anger would say. why do you have to say it like that? why couldn't you have said what you said later, that "i ... had major concerns with the title of your thread. it will rub some of us (not just adn grads, but those who teach in these programs)--- the wrong way"
    simple, straightforward, states where you are coming from. the other comes across as a bit of a put-down--that somehow i should automatically know where you are coming from.

    hope that makes it a bit clearer, anyway.

    thanks again,

  3. by   zenman
    Quote from NurseFirst
    I always learn better when I know MORE, because I understand how everything works.

    Knowledge is power and your inquiring mind is a good thing to have. However, sometimes one has to get the knowledge on their own so don't stop learning.
  4. by   RN4NICU
    good advice, zen
  5. by   CCU NRS
    I didn't read all posts, but here is my 2 cents.

    I have had instructors that are very great at teaching anything you want to learn and will openly admit that they don't have the information but will look into it and usually find it.

    I have had instructors that seemed to not really care one way or the other ifyou learn anything as long as you strictly adhere to their program and follow their teahcing plans and come to the conclusions they are looking for on the tests.

    Just an example. I had an instructor in my ADN program who had a Masters Degree and her entire hang up was psychosocial intervention. On every care plan and every case study she was overly concerned with the psychosocial development and what we did to pursue what their psychosocial health was. She thought that every student should discuss the religious preferences of every patient in deep detail and follow this path toward their health. She was way off, she didn't follow the entire picture and she focused narrowly on one aspect that most directly concerned her. She was a Jewish female married to a Rabbi.

    You will find like in any situation there are all kinds of people in every walk of life. I would not be to concerned that your pharmocology class didn't focus on every aspect of every med and even if you find an important SE or interaction and they are not aware of it, it is good that you have noticed it and you can log it away in your memo banks and then you can keep it for furture reference.

    I don't know what type of program you are in if you are Paramedic/LPN to ADN or if you have never worked in the medical field and are going into nursing fresh, but what I would say is just learn all you can and at the same time provide the instrucotr with the info they are seeking and you will be fine.
  6. by   obeyacts2
    Quote from Tweety
    I think you made them look bad by sharing information they didn't know. Sounds more like an ego problem than an ADN vs. BSN problem. How irritating to stifle learning.

    Keep learning, keep sharing and keep a curious mind. Don't let the trolls bring you down.
    I agree!!!!!! I have already had a similar experience and I havent even started clinical yet! I asked a teacher a question regarding the electrical conduction system of the heart: if a patient is in PEA, what area of the heart is firing? He didnt KNOW what PEA was!!!!! I was horrified! And he was embarassed and copped some serious attitude. Well, you want to teach about cardiac conductio, better know your stuff. At least I didnt ask in front of the class tho

  7. by   Sheri257
    Quote from NurseFirst
    While we are told our ADN program has an excellent reputation, these kinds of responses bother me. I always learn better when I know MORE, because I understand how everything works.

    I feel like my school and I have different educational philosophies.

    Are all nursing schools like this? Is it more prevalent among ADN programs? I am a bit disappointed, to say the least.
    I would say it's your particular ADN program or, even those particular instructors. My ADN program has taught the above mentioned material and we've been tested on it. There hasn't any distinction between what you may actually "need" to know. The philosophy is that all knowledge will probably come in handy at some point. Of course, the big problem is having enough time to teach all of it.

  8. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from NurseFirst
    I was preparing some med sheets that a group of my classmates and I made up for the medications we were given as likely meds to be given.

    While doing this, I learned an interesting fact: that if the urine is alkaline, up to 80% of ASA would be eliminated from the body, compared to 2-3% if it is acidotic (according to Davis' Drug Guide for Nurses).


    Please forgive what may be a stupid question - I've had 3 hours of sleep and took Benadryl and got up to go to work at 1:45 a.m. . . . . so . . .

    By the time aspirin gets to your urine, isn't most of it already absorbed by the stomach and intestinal tract? What would it matter if your urine is acidotic or alkalotic unless aspirin is primarily absorbed while it is in your bladder? Or unless you were taking megadoses . . .


    Last edit by Spidey's mom on Apr 20, '05
  9. by   Tweety
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    "weird edu-speak"? I am baffled by that one.

    You didn't give the answer the op wanted to here and sounds like the op is nitpicking a bit.
  10. by   Tweety
    Steph, you're right ASA is aborbed by the GI tract fairly rapidly and and it's metabolites excreted in the urine. This might be important to know if you have patients with liver and/or kidney problems, or in an overdose situation.

    I'm just thinking off the top of my head. I'm a bit nervous about including any edu-speak.
    Last edit by Tweety on Apr 20, '05
  11. by   Spidey's mom
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  12. by   Tweety
    Quote from stevielynn


    Sorry Steph. I cut and pasted and decided not to do that and just retype.
  13. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Tweety
    Sorry Steph. I cut and pasted and decided not to do that and just retype.
    I know how you feel about edu-speak.

    Ok - It is almost 9 a.m. in Florida, I'll bet it is warm and sunny, and you are about to have a nice day. Meanwhile I sit here at work, it is dark outside, it is cold, I have two patients - baby with hyperbilirunemia and 50-ish man post-op gallbladder removal.

    So, go have a nice breakfast and think of me slaving away in Northern California.