Hey, Managers! What's up with the "weeding out" of good nurses? - page 2
Recently there's been a spate of write-ups I've heard about that are basically bogus. Minor infractions that no one else would get written up over. I'm furious. On the surface, it doesn't seem to... Read More
Aug 28, '06new grads make less money, are usually more malleable, afraid to speak up, often have fewer health issues, what's not to love. Keep them till they start to "command" more money and then push them out and bring in some more new grads. Ever wonder why there are so many "new grads" at the bedside. And of course they burn out after a couple of years. Hopefully they won't leave nursing completely, but it seems like a lot do.
The whole new grad thing is causing a little problem on my floor now because 80 percent of them are pregnant. I don't know how we are going to staff soon.
Aug 28, '06Just a thought for the "other side":
I would not do middle management for all the tea in China. The pressure from "up on top" e.g. Admin and bean counters, and the pressure to please so many employees working for you....
Trying to bring the two ends together and buffer between them when friction arises....
HOOEY no money in the world worth all that pain and worry.
Nope, it cannot be easy to be a manager....
Nor is it to be a nurse. Times are changing...
and not necessarily for the better. It behooves one to look out for herself, any way she can.
Aug 28, '06hmmm tried to copy and paste....didnt work....anyway... i agree, that this is prob coming from "higher up".....another thing to consider is that new managers will clean house....wether this is taught or instinct..i dont know....but they end up with staff w/o loyalty to the previous mngr..and, indeed, if "they" want you out.....you will end up .....out......better to leave ....as a friend of mine said...."been there, done that; got the Tshirt....HELL, GOT THE FACTORY.....!
Aug 28, '06it seems to me that one of the reasons new admins clean house, is to get rid of those who knew what the unit ran like before they came along.
i know at my place, we refer to those days as the good old days, and with the new management and all the crazy things they are doing with staffing we all wish we could go back to the way it used to be.
now that they want the midmanagment to do staffing 24/7, the place will go down fast. how can a unit manager run her unit with all the stupid meetings and paperwork they have to do, then stay over or get called in to work ANY floor in the building cause a nurse didn't show up?! give me a break!!! how is that even SAFE!!?? i really feel for the pts who will be neglected. very sad. of course upper management will not have to staff the units. god knows they need their beauty sleep and dinner parties so they can come up with even more ways to make the place run terribly and kill the morale of the staff nurses.
Aug 28, '06I am absolutely certain that what Angie O'Plasty describes does happen, in nursing and every other field under the sun. It sickens me.
I know of at least 2 people who have been terminated and/or denied advancement in their positions because their families "over-utilized" health care benefits. These family members weren't hypochondriacs, but needed legitimate treatment for serious health conditions. Neither case involved the actual employee, so absence from work wasn't the issue, either.
There ought to be a special place in he** for those who terminate employment because a family member utilizes the very benefits the employee has EARNED.
Aug 28, '06Quote from TweetyIn my experience, that is a part of what happens here. In a rural area, you really have a much harder time finding nurses and so unfortunately some stuff gets overlooked.Doesn't happen at all where I work. I'm maxed out in my salary range, making $10.00/hour more than a new grad.
In fact it's the opposite. No one is targeted. Dead weight that needs to get written up is ignored and allowed to stay forever.
I have seen "targeting" though.
Aug 28, '06My last job, experienced RNs weren't necessarily written up, but I for instance would get called into the manager's office "for my side of the story" on bogus complaints. Couldn't write me up because I didn't actually do anything wrong. Just got pestered until I was sick of it. This was after I watched several coworkers go through the same thing. Strange how it was at the same time they had a bunch of new grad LPNs coming in. New grad to experienced RN pay may not be a big enough difference, but when you can chase off experienced RNs and run the place with new grad RNs and the really cheap new grad LPNs, imagine the bottom line at the end of the year. Not to mention, all those new grads, doing whatever the manager says because they don't have the experience to know the dangers. Looks very cost effective to someone with a business degree.
Aug 29, '06So... mind if I ask where these experienced nurses go? I'm always hearing about you vets getting chased out of workplaces in favor of cheap labor, but what happens afterwards. Uh... am I threadjacking? Should I be making a separate thread?
Aug 29, '06Quote from PeachPieAfter many years of dedication, some leave the field.So... mind if I ask where these experienced nurses go? I'm always hearing about you vets getting chased out of workplaces in favor of cheap labor, but what happens afterwards. Uh... am I threadjacking? Should I be making a separate thread?
The nursing shortage??????????????????????????
In this forum, you can read stories about experienced nurses
being pressured to leave (because of their salary)
You can also read about new grads having difficulty getting a job.
(Cost of training, no experience)
Nursing as a profession need to get their act together and unite.
What is the point of attracting bright, enthusiatic individuals to
the field if you do not allow new grads a starting position.
Of course, experienced nurses have been 'down sized'-these are
the individuals who would train them.
The real bottom line-----patients suffer because of the greedy
foolishness that has become hospital management.
Aug 29, '06Where do the more experienced nurses go? Insurance companies, home health, day surgery, leave the profession, hospice care, lots of places and choices for a nurse. Some avenues provide better pay and benefits, some not so good.
Aug 30, '06Sometimes managements' chief objective is to show who's boss. I was a volunteer (volunteer = willing to come in & help for free) at a hospital that decided to lock up the supplies. The problem was they were locked up from me, too. Kind of hard to pass out cups, straws, etc., if you can't get to them. The manager was upset because I dared to question her, so I ended up resigning.
It didn't matter that they chased away a volunteer. The only thing that mattered was having the upper hand. If the job doesn't get done or the pts. suffer, too bad! Just as long as everyone knows who's in charge!
Aug 31, '06I am experiencing the same problem at work right now. It has gotten me so paranoid and afraid that I even got a new username to even reply to this thread.
I have been with this hospital for almost 2 years. I was working PRN for a while and was asked by the DON to come back to work Full Time. She really believed that I was a great nurse, did an excelent job, and really wanted me to be there full time again. I was working PRN at a different job at the time and she got HR to almost match my PRN pay so that I would be able to come back to work. I also had to have 1 specific day a week off and was told that would be no problem. (We work 12's so I only have to work 3 days/week. 1 day off leaves 6 days to pick from). Shortly after that the DON left and a new DON was brought in. Then the trouble began.
Here is pretty much what was said and what has happened:
"I have read each and every one of your personel files before I ever came. If your old DON gave you a good review, I know that you are really only average, because my standarts are higher."
"I want to let each and every one of you know that you can be replaced. I have lots of nurses applying and just waiting to come and take your place."
"Any agreement you had with your old DON is meaningless. There is nothing on paper, so I can make you work whatever I want to."
When I informed her that I need to have my 1 specific day off. "You will work whatever we schedule you. THIS is your full time job." We basically have to be avaliable 7 days a week to work.
Lots of Bogus write ups. People written up for "x # of patients have complained about this." or "x # of coworkers have complained about this." No paper record of any kind about the complaint. But a paper trail in your file for when they want to fire you.
On my shift of about 30 people that worked before the DON there is only about 10 people left that worked there 3 months ago.
The new competent nurses that are just waiting to take our jobs are brand new grads with no experience, nurses from other areas with no hospital experience. Some of them are eager to learn and are quick to pick up. Others have been told over and over again how to not make the same mistake, and get angry and defensive when you try to correct them.
If you mention any complaints or concerns to management than there is another piece added to your personel-file paper trail regarding your 'Bad Additude and unwillingness to work with others.'
Experienced competent nurses are send home when the census is low, but the cheaper nurses who have only worked there 1 month are allowed to stay.
People get written up for calling in twice due to family being sick, but they have no problem canceling your shift 1/2 the time. Not showing up for work is ok if it benefits the company.
Nurses who have been there longer are written up for the same things that are going unoticed when the newer nurses make the same mistake.
Patient care has gone down the drain in this hospital. We have been told that it is perfectely fine for us to take care of 7-8 patients by ourselfes with one tech for a total of 32 patients, because thats how they do it at x hospital.
Policies are randomly replaced, often on a whim by management.
Substandart equipment is being rented, because it saves the company money.
And the person that suffers the most is the patient.
I am pretty sure I cannot put up with this much longer.
The "nursing shortage" is a direct result of nurses being driven away from the bedside not because of having to deal with patients, but having to deal with management.
Aug 31, '06I am so sorry you are going through such a hard time, sadangry, it sounds like a horrible place to work. I hope you find something better.