help me buck the system, please! super-traditional pinning ceremony that nobody wants

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Hi all-

I'm posting this in the general discussion rather than the student discussion, as I want to hear from people who were successful in doing something like this.

I'm the president of my ADN class, graduating this May. We have 17 students, 14 of them women. Our faculty is, almost entirely, *extremely* conservative, and the school is in a very small town. Our pinning ceremony is held in a church, and has pretty significant christian religious overtones, which I have a problem with; I think it's an inappropriate blurring of the line between church and state (this is a state-funded community college), and I've had a few students express discomfort with having the ceremony in this church. By the way- it's only held there for faculty preference; there's plenty of room on campus.

My main concern, though, is the attire for the ceremony. We're being forced to wear white dresses and caps. Now, we have to wear the caps in most clinical rotations, which is enough of an indignity (people think we're kidding, that other staff members are playing practical jokes on them by sending students in the room with caps on...it's nauseating, but I've tried to change this with no success). But I think it's ludicrous to insist we wear them at the pinning ceremony. It's *our* event, not the faculty's. In my opinion, the requirement that women wear dresses is inappropriately sexist, and from a logistical standpoint, *nobody* should be spending money on a white dress that will gather dust forever, when we have the expense of the NCLEX looming in our immediate future.

We have one student who wants to wear a white dress, and the others are adamantly opposed to it. I'm looking for ways to approach the program director with alternatives...I think that I need to have some suggestions, or he's just going to shut it down completely. Personally, this issue is important enough to me that I won't attend the ceremony if we have to wear the dresses. I know of at least 2 other women who plan to do the same thing.

My current plan is to have a meeting with the director and my vice-president to discuss the feelings our class has about the issue, and suggest a couple of alternatives- wearing nice, 'dressy' outfits, or wearing our clinical uniform (white smock and lab coat with navy pants). I'd like to hear from anyone else who had to address this issue, and how you resolved it. I'm also open to any suggestions *anyone* has...this director is extremely old-fashioned (he said he'd have us all wearing black stockings and orthopedic shoes, if he had his way), but he also respects me *specifically* because I'm confident and outspoken. By the way, if this were not the prevailing feeling of the other class members, I'd just skip the ceremony...I'm treating it like a class issue because I feel that's my role as the class president.

Also, please don't try to convince me we should be wearing the dresses. I don't really give a hoot about someone else's traditions that encourage disrespect and sexism, so the 'traditional' nurse's uniform is something I refuse to ever put on my body. I find the caps degrading enough...I am a medical professional in training, and there's nothing more irritating than having a doctor or nurse or patient say, 'how *cute*!!' when I walk into a room. If you disagree with me, I certainly respect your opinion, but I am absolutely certain of my position on this subject.

Well, I personally wouldn't have a problem with it being in a church because I don't like to sweat the small stuff. But some folks might have a big problem, so why not have it in a more neutral location? The school is opening itsself up to a big legal mess with that choice of venue. I see the OP is from the deep south, but I can't believe in this day and age that a publiccally funded school could get away with that.

If anyone thinks our predessors were a bunch of pushovers, believe me they were extremely competant, independent women. Nursing school was extremely tough and rigorous in those days, those women were determined and resourceful! My Aunt Ruth was a force to be reckoned with! She had some very interesting experiences as a public health nurse. She told me once that doctors were quietly helping terminal patients out of their misery back then, and would say "It's time to give Mrs So and So her shot today" (lethal injection:rolleyes: )

First Bravo for sticking up for our past counter parts, just because Nuns became nurses doesn't meant they were less professional and most likely more professionall and for that matter holisitic before holisitic care was even a theory.

Catholic Nursing schools DO NOT take only nuns I work at a Catholice facility that used to be a school and many of the nurses that have been there for >20years actually attended school there. They are all very competent, professional, intelligent and caring nurses.

Yes by all means why shouldn't we make sure that the rest of the world feels like we are just trained monkeys wearing Teddy Bears, and Balloons on our scrubs.

Tradition has it's purposes I believe. I feel that one of those purposes is to help students understand the gravity of the nursing profession, some things should not be frivolous, some things should be conducted with an air of dignity and propriety.

As for being held in a Church I guess that could be construed as wrong by some but if you are graduating from a nursing program you should be mature enough to be able to separate your beleif's from those of others and you should also be open minded enough to be able to conform to the will of others on such small points afterall you may have Pts in the future that will ask you to pray with them, will you turn your back on them, IF you are secure in your own belief why should just entering a Church or attending a ceremnoy in a Church be so offensive, many people who are devout Christians go to many ceremonies in many other places than Churches and do not make it out to be a big conspiracy designed to undermine their beliefs.

Again just my 2cents.

I am sincerely thrilled, honored, and most grateful to read your post. I cherish time honored traditions. It is respecting the sacrifices made by those who have gone before us.

Recently, I responded to another thread about nurses wearing white and was thoroughly admonished for suggesting that nurses should ever wear anything but scrubbs, and return to "servitude".

My great respect for Nursing manifests itself, sometimes, in my idealism that by female nurses abandoning time honored traditions of the caps and dress, which kept the profession highly visible to the public, has not only liberated nurses from wearing caps and dresses, but has also worked to make the profession less visible throughout the medical industry and to the general public. Since the time that both Catholic Sisters and Nurses have bared their heads, both careers have suffered a shortage of members in keeping with their need. I don't know of any demographics on this, but it is evident, even though it may be coincidence.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the thousands of nurses who have gone before me, and I look forward to the honor of being graduated in a traditional white nursing uniform and cap, complete with lamp and pinning ceremony. Being in my late 50's, the opportunity to become a nurse has been long to come, and I will be a huge personal disappointment if I am denied the opportunity to share the time honored traditions of nursing graduation that so many thousands of others have been so fortunate to participate in. In choosing where I will attend school, how they "graduate" nurses is an important part of my decision.

As far as the school dictating what the graduation ceremony will be, my feelings are these: You choose the school which you attend. You exchange money for your education, but not the right run the school, set it's policies, or dictate how, when, or where it should conduct it's commencement exercises. You agreed to follow their policy and procedure when you accepted their program.

I believe that when you have completed your educational at an institution, you should live up to the rest of your obligation. You had ample opportunity to find out what their policies were. Go to your graduation exercises and have the dignity and decorum to not make a spectacle of yourself. You and your classmates made your school choice, no one forced you to go to school there. Finish what you started without causing trouble. Yes, it's your education and your graduation, but without the school, you wouldn't have either one. Life is filled with situations in which we have to do things that we don't like, and no employer is going to allow you to dictate policy to them and retain you as an employee. Se la Vie!

I am sincerely thrilled, honored, and most grateful to read your post. I cherish time honored traditions. It is respecting the sacrifices made by those who have gone before us.

Recently, I responded to another thread about nurses wearing white and was thoroughly admonished for suggesting that nurses should ever wear anything but scrubbs, and return to "servitude".

My great respect for Nursing manifests itself, sometimes, in my idealism that by female nurses abandoning time honored traditions of the caps and dress, which kept the profession highly visible to the public, has not only liberated nurses from wearing caps and dresses, but has also worked to make the profession less visible throughout the medical industry and to the general public. Since the time that both Catholic Sisters and Nurses have bared their heads, both careers have suffered a shortage of members in keeping with their need. I don't know of any demographics on this, but it is evident, even though it may be coincidence.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the thousands of nurses who have gone before me, and I look forward to the honor of being graduated in a traditional white nursing uniform and cap, complete with lamp and pinning ceremony.

I believe that when you have completed your educational at an institution, you should live up to the rest of your obligation. You had ample opportunity to find out what their policies were. Go to your graduation exercises and have the dignity and decorum to not make a spectacle of yourself. You and your classmates made your school choice, no one forced you to go to school there. Finish what you started without causing trouble. Yes, it's your education and your graduation, but without the school, you wouldn't have either one. Life is filled with situations in which we have to do things that we don't like, and no employer is going to allow you to dictate policy to them and retain you as an employee. Se la Vie!

C'est la vie? (I assume that is what you meant). This is life?

Oh my goodness! this post is so condescending. Nobody has an obligation to attend a pinning ceremony or commencement.

Policies change ALL the time. Nothing is set in stone. Hey, that might be a good thing to remember in nursing. Just because something "has always been done this way" does not make it the best way to do something.

She asked for advice and not admonishment to "go to your ceremony and not make a spectacle of yourself."

And no, a state supported school should not be having a ceremony with strong religious overtones. There is absolutely no reason to have it in a church.

Professionalism manifests itself in many ways. I, for instance believe that writing a coherent sentence is one way to show professionalism. To me, the ability to communicate through the written word is a more important marker of professionalism than wearing a cap and dress.

I sincerely doubt the nursing shortage is due to the fact that nurses no longer wear caps. Just wondering, how much nursing experience do you have? Have you tried working on a busy floor wearing a white dress and cap?

Frankly, I believe Rachel is being a very good advocate for her fellow students. I think this shows she will be an excellent advocate for her patients.

C'est la vie? (I assume that is what you meant). This is life?

Oh my goodness! this post is so condescending. Nobody has an obligation to attend a pinning ceremony or commencement.

Policies change ALL the time. Nothing is set in stone. Hey, that might be a good thing to remember in nursing. Just because something "has always been done this way" does not make it the best way to do something.

She asked for advice and not admonishment to "go to your ceremony and not make a spectacle of yourself."

And no, a state supported school should not be having a ceremony with strong religious overtones. There is absolutely no reason to have it in a church.

Professionalism manifests itself in many ways. I, for instance believe that writing a coherent sentence is one way to show professionalism. To me, the ability to communicate through the written word is a more important marker of professionalism than wearing a cap and dress.

I sincerely doubt the nursing shortage is due to the fact that nurses no longer wear caps. Just wondering, how much nursing experience do you have? Have you tried working on a busy floor wearing a white dress and cap?

Dear Action,

Since your birthday is August 1st, the same as mine, I will feel free to speak plainly to you, since we are almost twins.:)

I read both of these posts and frankly, sister, your's is no less opinionated than the one you are critisizing. Plus, the syntax of your sentences is not superiour. It appears to me that you are reacting emotionally in response to the opinion of the previous poster.

I sincerely hope the OP is mature enough to realize that her posting on an internet site her strong feelings about a matter that others might have heartfelt disagreements with, does invite them to also chime in their own strong opinions.

Now, I suspect that the original poster's strong revulsion to wearing these caps might have something to do with being forced to wear them for clinicals. I can totally and unquivically sympathise with this sentiment. It sounds to me as if those running her program are utter control freaks. So, of course the whole class is probably totally fed up, except for the brownnosing teacher's pets. Because, ethically speaking, I think she is on firmer grounds with the religious issue. The legal precedent is very strong for that.

My advise to her is to utter these four letters: ACLU. This might strike the fear of God into administration's hearts. Then, they can compromise on having the class vote on the dress code for the pinning.:)

Docs have a "white coat ceremony." Just in case some of you didn't know that; nursing isn't the only profession with its traditions.

C'est la vie? (I assume that is waht you meant). This is life?

Oh my goodness! this post is so condescending. Nobody has an obligation to attend a pinning ceremony or commencement.

Policies change ALL the time. Nothing is set in stone. Hey, that might be a good thing to remember in nursing. Just because something "has always been done this way" does not make it right.

She asked for advice and not admonishment to "go to your ceremony and not make a spectacle of yourself."

And no, a state supported school should not be having a ceremony with strong religious overtones. There is absolutely no reason to have it in a church.

Professionalism manifests itself in many ways. I, for instance believe that writing a coherent sentence is one way to show professionalism. To me, the ability to communicate through the written word is a more important marker of professionalism than wearing a cap and dress.

I sincerely doubt the nursing shortage is due to the fact that nurses no longer wear caps.

C'est la vie? (I assume that is waht you meant). This is life? ... Yes that is what I meant ..."Such is life!" I assume that you meant to type what instead of waht?

Having a ceremony in a church does not mean that the cermony has religious undertones. I imagine if it is a small community college, they needed to find a place to have it, and they took what was available.

If she is not obligated to go and doesn't like the tone of the ceremony, doesn't want to participate in tradition, doesn't want to have a pinning ceremony, why go unless it is to cause dissention?

I don't believe that I made any reference to professionalism?

My comment about the nursing shortage is only an observation and theory only, that I would be very interested in a study on.

Evidently my sentences weren't so incoherent that you did get my gist. :)

I find it hard to understand that a student chooses a school, completes the curriculum, and then starts rocking the boat at commencement.

I am not entering the field of nursing to buck policy changes, or revise, refine, or re-define nursing or the medical industry. I am entering nursing to give care to the sick.

I'm sorry you were so offended by an opinion other than yours. I am certain that there are other opinions that differ from both of ours. :)

Dear All American,

Your post was fine. I think it's good to preserve traditions myself. If you go to Europe you'll find that they aren't as eagar as Americans to always change traditions. In UK the nurses still wear uniforms, although updated ones.

The OP did say that the college has plenty of room for a ceremony. Really, you can't get away with this these days, they are leaving themselves pretty vulnerable on that one. It might be a local tradition, but probably will eventually be legally challanged.

Grandmother did, Mother did, and two Aunts did. They NEVER complained and NEVER looked any less than PERFECT. No I haven't, but I would, and I could, and would be darn glad to do it, if it were required of me! :)

Dear All American,

Your post was fine. I think it's good to preserve traditions myself. If you go to Europe you'll find that they aren't as eagar as Americans to always change traditions. In UK the nurses still wear uniforms, although updated ones.

The OP did say that the college has plenty of room for a ceremony. Really, you can't get away with this these days, they are leaving themselves pretty vulnerable on that one. It might be a local tradition, but probably will eventually be legally challanged.

I agree that the location of the ceremony is controversial, to say the least, because of separation of church and state issues. Schools in my state are no longer allowed to rent their auditoriums out for church services.

I will probably be buying UK uniforms, and find a compromise between a dress and a steady diet of scrubs! :)

Specializes in Critical Care/ICU.

Hmm. This is very interesting. First, I'm surprised that it seems most pinning ceremonies that have been talked about here are part of the commencement or graduation itself from the school? Unless the school one attends is strictly a nursing school and doesn't graduate people of other disciplines, this might make sense, but isn't a pinning ceremony for the recognition or representation of the student nurse's right of passage into the practice role of nursing?

What the heck does that have to do with the school? It was the student's hard work and dedication to their nursing program that got them to the point of being eligible to gain their license and practice their profession. Unless the instructors or school officials are going to go out sit for the NCLEX, do the work and earn a paycheck in the name of the student, then I don't think they should have any say in what the pinning ceremony is going to be like.

I think our ceremony was a great combination of respecting our nursing roots while recognizing the changes that nurses have gone through over the decades by allowing us the autonomy of recognizing our accomplishments. What's the resistance? There's nothing wrong with updating a tradition. For goodness sake, at the holidays, I'm not going to go churn my own butter or go milk the cow to bake the cookies that have been a tradition in my family for a hundred years (so they say :))!

And just for the record, I think having this ceremony in a church in this day and age as nursing schools claim to teach cultural diversity is quite questionable and a bit hypocritical.

Dear All American,

Your post was fine. I think it's good to preserve traditions myself. If you go to Europe you'll find that they aren't as eagar as Americans to always change traditions. In UK the nurses still wear uniforms, although updated ones.

Hello. Yes, I did respond emotionally, and I do believe my post was opinionated, but you are not the final authority on whether a post is "fine."

I do have a problem with someone telling someone to "not make a spectacle of yourself." I just found that so... rude.

Specializes in Gerontological, cardiac, med-surg, peds.

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