Female nurses earn less than male nurses - page 2
pay: the gender gap a woman's work is never done. though you might not know it to look at her paycheck. according to u.s. census bureau statistics, women make on average 25 percent less than... Read More
Jun 7, '04Occupation: I work at Dollar General... Joined: Aug '03; Posts: 77Kudos to that guy!!!^^^
And this is just wrong... Equal pay for equal work. I honestly thought that was supposed to be illegal (or something to that effect) to do other wise.
Jun 7, '04Joined: Mar '04; Posts: 5,926; Likes: 15Why do we need more men in nursing to save it exactly? Anyone know? This makes NO sense to me!!! What...nursing is going to disappear? Are people going to start taking care of themselves if there aren't men in nursing?
Jun 7, '04Specialty: 12 year(s) of experience in rodeo nursing (neuro) ; From: US ; Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 2,618; Likes: 2,838Don't really see inequality in my hospital. In nursing, that is. Most of the "suits" are men. More and more women docs, but boss docs mostly men. Nursing Services is predominantly female, except at my level--I'd say about 60% male orderlies, maybe 70%.
I have to admire the guy who walked over unequal pay. I like to think I would do the same, but I don't know. The nursing shortage would make it a lot easier to stand on principle, but still, it wouldn't be easy to walk away from a job you wanted.
Apparently there are cases of actual unfairness, but there are way too many variables to make a sound conclusion from the raw statistic. For example, I actually saw a report that men tend to choose higher paying specialties, like CRNA. Also, it's possible men are doing more overtime. Also--not meaning to be a sexist--little boys don't grow up thinking, "I want to be a nurse, someday." Meaning, I think men may be less likely to get into nursing impulsively and out of nursing disillusioned. Isn't it possible the average male nurse now working has been in nursing longer than the average female? If, for example, there were a million women in nursing, but half with <5 yrs. experience, and a thousand male nurses, but only a quarter with <5 yrs., it would look like men were overpaid.
Don't know about promotions--I'm willing to take your word for it, but in my hospital, we have one male nurse director. That's more than 6% or our nurse directors, but it's hard to hire a fractional man.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a bleeding-heart liberal, and I'm sure women get a raw deal in many areas, but from where I sit, nursing is one of the exceptions. It's also problematic to compare nursing wages to other occupations. I'll make only a little more per hour as a nurse than I did as a carpenter, but a lot more per year. And I do think nursing must compare fairly favorably to a lot of male-dominated occupations, since a lot of men are going into it. Although I do agree with TeeItUpTom that being around women is a non-cash incentive which may not appeal as much to a lot of women.
As I recall, the OP on the "why do we need more men?" thread was generally skeptical of the idea, and most of us thought the main advantages were a.) stronger backs and b.) diversity of viewpoints. I can only think of one who appeared to think we were going to "save" nursing. Frankly, I find beating that horse kind of offensive. All I really want is to make a decent living doing useful, honest work, and if I can help some people in the process, that sounds pretty good to me.
Jun 7, '04Occupation: nursing student Joined: Nov '03; Posts: 64; Likes: 1Why do we need more men in nursing to save it exactly? Anyone know? This makes NO sense to me!!! What...nursing is going to disappear? Are people going to start taking care of themselves if there aren't men in nursing?
I've read a few times that experts feel that when men join a career choice it becomes more stable and experiences less turnover. In addition when men have entered fields like teaching they have been great organizers and lobbyists therefore benefiting all in the field. As a side note, I love when there are men on the floor because they tend to not be as moody and are always willing to crack a joke and make the day a little more fun. I know, I know, that's a total generalization so I'll have to say that has been only MY experience. :chuckle
Jun 7, '04Joined: Jul '00; Posts: 11,351; Likes: 385Teachers here have all the same complaints as nurses, so I usually use that as an example of how a profession has failed to be saved simply by the addition of men. Even in nursing, professors with a masters degree generally make less than nurses working on the floor.
Jun 7, '04Occupation: Registered Nurse Joined: Nov '00; Posts: 900; Likes: 35********E...
Any one is capable of making the same salary in nursing. Men may make more because as a general rule we negotiate for our money. If they do not offer what I want I do not take the job. You have to let your feet do the talking sometimes and be willing to say no to what is offered. NEVER EVER TAKE FIRST OFFER!!!
Jun 7, '04Occupation: ER RN Specialty: ER,ICU,L&D,OR,ETC ; Joined: May '01; Posts: 5,588; Likes: 566Quote from longtermcarernWhere I was previously employed, there was 2 nurses hired at the same time. One of each gender. They got to talking one day and she found out that despite her experience, he was hired in at about 4.00 an hour more. He was so upset about the inequality of it that he left the job with a note pinned to the bulletin board next to the time clock stating until all nurse were treated and paid equal; he could not work for that company. Strangest thing I have ever seen.
Damn, he was stupid
Jun 7, '04Joined: May '02; Posts: 74; Likes: 12When I was in an administrative position, I knew what others in the company made. Men did make more than women with the same experience.
The problem with our profession is that wages are <SECRET> and we can be disciplined if we let others know what we make. :uhoh21:
If it were out in the open-- people were paid x amount of dollars for y amount of experience and z amount of time in the company--we would have a level playing field. Then, companies couldn't pay men more than women or some new hire with no experience more than someone who's been with the company years.
Jun 7, '04Occupation: registered nuse Joined: Apr '03; Posts: 3,118; Likes: 840In my many years of nursing I have worked with a few good male nurses, ones I would share a shift with anytime, anyplace, anyhow. But, in general, I have worked with male nurses who just did not do their work, used the flirty, smiling, brown-nosing attitude to get ahead, and then when the job was too much for them tried to con some poor female into "giving me a hand with this."
I heard ,just this weekend ,that one guy in particular had finally been called on the carpet by an older, experienced, drill sargent-type nurse, from what I hear she refuses to let him back in her department, will come in and cover herself, but he is never to come back. Seems like he just did not get around to giving that second unit of blood, HGB was only 7.1, so no rush, let the good old day shift RN,female ofcourse, do it. When I worked with this guy and NONE of the 06:00am meds or fingersticks were done and I complained, I was told he was managing other problems, even when I showed a pattern, so I am glad someone with clout got his butt.P.S. the other problems were computer games with the ER male nurse.
Jun 7, '04Joined: Jul '00; Posts: 11,351; Likes: 385This is one of the reasons I like working unionized places. The payscale is not a secret and isn't ever dependent on my negotiating skills or my gender.
Jun 7, '04Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 38,750; Likes: 16,271eggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggzactly fergus. unionized here.
Jun 7, '04Joined: Mar '04; Posts: 5,926; Likes: 15I really don't think i would ever work anywhere that was non-union from everything I hear lately.