Are CNA's considered "Nurses"? - page 3
I am a new nurse but was a CNA for 15 years before going to school. I was never referred to as a nurse when I was a CNA. I recently went to work in a Doc office where the CNA refers to herself as a... Read More
May 25, '04Occupation: RN Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 227Quote from LPN2Be2004You are right...just like the N in CNA....and the N in NA....and like the N in NT....a CNA and a LPN just doesn't cut it anymore; get over it....feel slighted? that's on you...get used to it :stoneHate to burst your one-dimensional bubble, but an LPN is a nurse, that's kinda what the N stands for. And being an LPN does not make me some sort of "poorly prepared wanna be". I took the course i took because it offered way more classroom time, and almost 3 times the clinical time, plus a lot of my classes will transfer to whereever i choose to go to school next.
And unless you want to pay for all the Licensed Practical Nurses to go back to school for further education, then you're going to have to get used to it. Licensed Practical Nurses are needed and they are valuable. They may not be able to work everywhere, but if they are happy with where they are, more power to them.
As for "respect" (ironic that you used that word after being so insulting), it makes it way more difficult to earn the respect when someone already has the mentality that you're the dirt beneath their feet all because you're not an RN. But then again, if someone is that insulting to those who do not have the same nursing education, does it REALLY matter whether i'd get their respect, since they hold me in such little regard for being a CNA and then an LPN. Is it worth it fighting for the respect as a "poorly prepared wanna be"? No it's not. Life's too short to waste on supposedly 'fellow' nurses who are so disrespectful to others in healthcare.
May 25, '04Occupation: pediatric home care Joined: May '04; Posts: 703; Likes: 7Quote from AlnamvetNow that is funny... So what makes any other nursing preparation so much more advanced than it was a few years back? LOLYou are right...just like the N in CNA....and the N in NA....and like the N in NT....a CNA and a LPN just doesn't cut it anymore; get over it....feel slighted? that's on you...get used to it :stone
What makes you think LPN schools don't keep up with the times? WOW the arrogance of some nurses is totally amazing!
May 25, '04Joined: Apr '00; Posts: 24,611; Likes: 35,448Quote from Alnamvetthat's pretty hostile al. shame on you. lpn's are nurses. get over it AND yourself. :stoneYou are right...just like the N in CNA....and the N in NA....and like the N in NT....a CNA and a LPN just doesn't cut it anymore; get over it....feel slighted? that's on you...get used to it :stone
May 25, '04Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 191; Likes: 4. What we need is to increase the standards, require that ALL health care providers take the same pre-reqs as a pre-med, pre-nursing, pre-PA...after the pre-reqs are met, one may choose the MD/DO route, nursing route, Paramedic route, PT route. care provider.[/QUOTE]
and you think there is a nursing shortage now????????Last edit by NP2BE on May 25, '04
May 25, '04Occupation: emergency RN Joined: Mar '03; Posts: 833; Likes: 24Quote from AlnamvetThe time has come to eliminate so-called caregivers who's only training is how to do a BP, change a diaper, d/c an IV, and administer a limited amount of drugs. The times are a changin', and the need for poorly prepared wannabees is ending. .
You can' t be serious! So, basically anyone who is not an RN is beneath you?
Wow, your attitude seems as though you've never worked in a busy hospital or nursing home. Or maybe you have.
I would love to see how well you handle 7 pts that need total care, assessments and meds all by your lonesome........
Your arguement DOESN'T FLY with me............... but thats MY OPINION.. Just like you have your own......
(tryin' to understand your theory :uhoh21: )
TO THE OP:
Maybe you should ask the doc for a clarification of her role.
May 25, '04Occupation: nurse manager Specialty: 14 year(s) of experience in LTC, office, home health ; Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 45; Likes: 7Having been an LPN for 12 years I take personal offense that "LPN, CNA Just doesn't cut it any more" I started as a CNA, worked my way through LPN school, all so I could provide more for the patients in my care. While giving care to any pt at any level I give 100% and do any thing possible in my current scope for them. I have also worked as a medic and currently a new grad RN. The LPN progran I graduated from is one of the best in the state and the grads from this program are highly respected for their ability to deliver quality care.
To those of you that are currently CNAs and LPNs, keep up the great work and I for one respect the you for working as hard as you all do to provide quality care to your patients.
May 25, '04Joined: Apr '00; Posts: 24,611; Likes: 35,448to all lpn's---please don't even dignify that op's post with a response. we all know your value and it bothers me to see you nurses trying to vindicate your self worth.
May 25, '04Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 38,756; Likes: 16,281all i can say is, wow
alnamvet ya did it again!
shoot score! it's amazing how you do that.
May 25, '04Occupation: cardiac intensive care unit night nurse Joined: May '04; Posts: 3I don't think the BON recognizes practicing under someone else's license Good heavens, if they did, we might all be doing it! I know I would have preferred not to have to pay for nursing school!
She is not a nurse and should not be doing nursing duties... to me, that is like me getting a surgeon to show me how to remove a gall bladder, then I can do it under his license, and tell the patients to call me Doctor....
I encourage you to explore your options on this...I also would be wondering what the legal ramifications were for me working in this office, knowing this CNA is practicing outside the scope of her certification. You're the nurse... are you liable for her mistakes since you know she is practicing outside her certification? Are you considered in any way her "supervisor"? I think you are in dangerous legal waters...
May 25, '04Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 38,756; Likes: 16,281students practice under their INSTRUCTORS' licenses all the time. And RN's supervise these people, so by this virtue, some are "acting under the umbrella" of THEIR licensure, as well. But this does not make students or CNA's NURSES!!!! The State BON's have plenty to say on this.
May 25, '04Occupation: pediatric home care Joined: May '04; Posts: 703; Likes: 7Quote from SmilingBluEyesA nursing license is not required to take VS. It is not needed to draw blood. It is not needed to ask a pt what their complaint is. It is not needed to hand info booklets to the pt. It is not needed to communicate instructions from the MD to the pt.students practice under their INSTRUCTORS' licenses all the time. And RN's supervise these people, so by this virtue, some are "acting under the umbrella" of THEIR licensure, as well. But this does not make students or CNA's NURSES!!!! The State BON's have plenty to say on this.
Many Drs offices utilize MAs and CNAs to perform much the same duties as the nurses on staff.
Again, the only possible illegal thing going on is IF she presented herself as a licensed nurse when she was hired.
Look at it this way. If the office staff included an MD and RN and an LPN and both the RN and LPN took their assignment from the MD, the RN is in no way responsible for the actions of the LPN. Simply being in the same place at the same time does not make the RN the responsible staff member. Agreed? That's right, so you should agree.
Now, if the CNA and the LPN each take their assignment from the MD, then the LPN is in no way responsible for the CNA.
Ya'll have to get over the scope of practice thing. There are a lot of ways it can be read and a lot of ways it can be followed and still be within the law.
May 25, '04Occupation: Corrections Nurse. Joined: May '04; Posts: 32; Likes: 1No, CNAs are not nurses. But I like them anyway.
May 25, '04Occupation: Operating Room Nurse Specialty: 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '03; Posts: 17,036; Likes: 1,006Quote from AlnamvetThere a difference between certified nursING assistant and a licensed practical NURSE.You are right...just like the N in CNA....and the N in NA....and like the N in NT....a CNA and a LPN just doesn't cut it anymore; get over it....feel slighted? that's on you...get used to it :stone
And no i DON'T feel slighted, just if you have that kind of attitude, don't be surprised at the reactions you get from the people that you act like aren't worth your time just because they're not an RN. If you want respected, you have to act like you're worthy of it. But treating (and talking to) people like they're dirt beneath your feet isn't the way to go.