Are anti-vaccine people conspiracy theorists generally?

[Emergent]

I have an old friend from years ago who I now keep in touch with on Facebook. Her posts are fascinating in the amazing variety of conspiracy theories, some outrageous, some maybe partially true. She's a big believer that cannabis oil will cure just about anything and that information of course is being suppressed by the drug companies and the government.

She blames many, if not all, health problems on vaccines. She also subscribes to some disturbing anti-Semitic ideologies, blaming the network of high powered Jews, led by the evil Rothschild family.

I swear, the internet has turned slightly eccentric people into extremists. 30 years ago this woman was into macrobiotics, native Americans, and New Age philosophies.

[Kooky Korky, BSN, RN]

So only one of their children is a pedophile. Well that makes everything so much better.

It is what it is. As you should know, life isn't perfect. Including the Duggars. Or would you like all 447 of them to be pedophiles? You're just looking for any way to spew venom. Count me out.

[Kooky Korky, BSN, RN]

Almost all the wealthy college educated parents I know have either inherited their wealth or have computer/technical jobs. Computer science majors require very few hard science courses beyond biology 101 etc., I wouldn't value their knowledge of vaccinations and the immune system very highly.

Please please please tell me you are not a college educated registered nurse who believes vaccinations cause autism.

PS I am proud to say I do not know who the Duggars are and am sorry I even glanced at some of the posts about them. I am so sick of this thread. Maybe I should post something really nasty so the administrators will close it!

Or just drop off of it. Why stay here if you're so upset with it?

[Kooky Korky, BSN, RN]

Again I don't care if you or anyone else thinks I'm being rude on this subject. I think anti-vaxxers like you are a danger to my family, myself, and my patients so I will continue to call out anti-vaxxers at every opportunity especially the ones that state they are nurses.

The science of vaccines is clear and older than anyone alive. The flu vaccine alone has been in widespread use for over 80 years.

You can post on a Internet forum, but you can't look up basic information on the internet?

Study Shows Why the Flu Likes Winter - The New York Times

Herd immunity has been explained over and over on here to you. People have posted easy to understand videos and you still don't understand the concept. I will give you another example: 95 people were given a quarter and told to put it in their pocket and then go exercise, but 45 of those people had holes in their pockets so how many of them do you think would drop the quarter out of the holes in their pocket?..

Depends on the size and location of the holes and probably the type and vigor of the exercses.

Rude wins you no points, dude.

I probably live no where near you, I am no danger to you or yours. You should learn the maxim that it is much better to try to educate than to be rude and angry toward others, even if you hate people.

And you still haven't bothered to answer my questions, reasonable though they are. Silly.

[wtbcrna, MSN, DNP, CRNA]

It is what it is. As you should know, life isn't perfect. Including the Duggars. Or would you like all 447 of them to be pedophiles? You're just looking for any way to spew venom. Count me out.

As stated on numerous posts and for numerous reasons they are not reasonable or good examples of family life in the US.

[wtbcrna, MSN, DNP, CRNA]

Depends on the size and location of the holes and probably the type and vigor of the exercses.

Rude wins you no points, dude.

I probably live no where near you, I am no danger to you or yours. You should learn the maxim that it is much better to try to educate than to be rude and angry toward others, even if you hate people.

And you still haven't bothered to answer my questions, reasonable though they are. Silly.

We have answered your questions over and over and over again. Unless you live in a plastic bubble you will come in contact with the flu through other people and even just the surfaces around you. With a 40-60% flu vaccine efficacy rate it is easy to see how people get the flu still after having the flu vaccine, but even though they get the flu after the vaccine the flu extent is usually shorter and less severe.

You don't want to be educated. You want someone to confirm your biases. I'm not that person.

Anyone that chooses not to vaccinate is a danger to everyone and distance hardly matters. When you can go from one end of the US to the other in a few hours distance is nearly meaningless.

[Guest219794]

I am officially switching sides in this thread, and am now rooting for Kooky.

This thread is a microcosm of our current political reality. On the one side, we have things like objective truth, facts, science, and logic. On the other side we have Kooky.

The one side has always believed that objective truth, facts, science, and logic will win out, and continue to use that strategy. And, the other side is, well, Kooky. It is like having a debate with somebody who speaks a different language. And, Kooky isn't going to change, and there is no particular reason Kooky needs to win the debate.

Kooky, you have an impressive ability to engage people. My prediction is that you will be able to continue until it generates enough hostility that somebody violates TOS, and this thread gets closed.

In the mean time, I am on the sidelines rooting for you. I do reserve the right to come back in if there is any reasonable discussion.

[hppygr8ful, ASN, RN, EMT-I]

. The HPV vaccine is effectively the cure most HPV caused cancers.

I am sure you meant that HPV is a effective way to prevent most cervical cancer. In fact it inoculates against 13 specific stains of HPV the last time I checked. When it first came out it was 9. Once the cancer is there treatment is the only way to cure it.

Hppy

[hppygr8ful, ASN, RN, EMT-I]

Read post above. Sorry , still not sold on the HPV vaccine. The effectiveness of the flu vaccine is a shot in the dark because it's a guessing game as to what strain is going around. I have gotten the flu the same year as getting the vaccine, so that year it wasn't effective. So it did nothing for the patients I took care of when I was contagious before I knew I had it.

I am immune to certain strains. Learned that last year's after taking care of 3 family members who had it, and I never got sick. Some vaccines have their place, some do not. You have your opinion, I have mine. If a job I have requires it, yes I'll get it. Other than that I wont.

While my son received all of his vaccines I felt very much the same you did about the HPV. Since it was originally a girl's vaccine it was off my radar. When my pediatrician recommended it I dismissed him out of hand. My pediatrician felt strongly enough about it to call me at home and discuss the vaccine. What it came to was - "If you could do one thing for your child to prevent him getting HPV related cancer or keep him from passing it to a partner why wouldn't you do it?" that made me think.

My son ultimately got the vaccine which is now two shots not three and according to the man cub less painful than his flu shot.

Hppy

[BostonFNP, APRN]

And you still haven't bothered to answer my questions, reasonable though they are.

What are your questions, we will answer them directly.

While we are at it, you haven't answered the one I have asked you several times: what have you read that supports your position and can you cite the sources here so we can read it?

[Farawyn]

Never gets old.

[Flatline, BSN, RN]

Funny how something so basic, so fundamental to modern medicine, so well established in science is still debated.

I wonder if the anti-vaccine people are the same people I see leaving the bathroom without washing their hands?

[Guest219794]

Funny how something so basic, so fundamental to modern medicine, so well established in science is still debated.

I wonder if the anti-vaccine people are the same people I see leaving the bathroom without washing their hands?

Another shill for Big Soap.