60 Minutes Foreign nurse recruiting - page 4
The 60 Minutes program this evening will have a snippet on overseas recruiting to fill positions at US hospitals. I wonder what they'll say about the nursing shortage. There are a couple of other... Read More
Jun 11, '02Occupation: E.R. Staff Nurse (Agency) Joined: Jul '01; Posts: 165; Likes: 12As with all bureaucratic solutions, the quick fix is the answer and the Only answer that will be addressed by Congress and the Senate, historically these foreign interlopers come to this country long enough to squelch the cries of "There's a Nursing Shortage" "Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh My!" Then they have made enough Money to retire in style in their own countries and Poof they are gone! The only problem they have solved is the congressmen and senators problems of their constituancy being on their case about the REAL problem, which is Hospital Administration's Policy of Keeping the Nurses Down in their Place, by not paying a livable wage with adequate benefits and retirement plans, yes their are those Hospitals that have come to grip with this problem, through collective bargaining, but the vast majority have not. Which is plainly evident here on this BB. If these supposed solutions really had Us in mind they could bring an awful lot of Nurses back into the field that have left because of low salaries, high nurse to patient ratios, lack of REAL benefits, and higher stress levels. They are throwing many of these foreign Nurses to the wolves, they will be Eaten early, but it doesn't matter, 'cause they can always get more dime a dozen nurses to fill the void and keep the rest of Us Down!*><%# BLa BLa and that S_cks!
Jun 11, '02Occupation: RN-i (RETIRED) Specialty: ORTHOPAEDICS-CERTIFIED SINCE 89 ; From: US ; Joined: May '00; Posts: 14,479; Likes: 2,298Let's try to stay on topic. The 60 minutes report. No culture bashing please.
Jun 11, '02Occupation: RN Case Manager Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 4,945; Likes: 27Originally posted by Dplear
PRN NURSE your racism sickens me and your facts are totally wrong....I hope and pray that you never work with me because this WHITE AMERICAN (who according to your beliefs should ber the only type of nurse) will make your racist loving life a living hell.
At the risk of getting flamed, I think PRN was venting frustration at the feeling of being a minority in her own environment... Not excusing the tone of her posts at all... I think anytime one decides to go with an "Us vs. Them" approach, you have to replace "them" with yourself and think about how you would feel and react as the reader.
I knew when I saw the subject of this thread that it was going to get to this... :stone Some things are just inevitable.Last edit by LasVegasRN on Jun 11, '02
Jun 11, '02Occupation: RN Case Manager Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 4,945; Likes: 27Originally posted by P_RN
Let's try to stay on topic. The 60 minutes report. No culture bashing please.
Jun 11, '02Occupation: RN, Elderly Mental health Joined: Jun '01; Posts: 3,115; Likes: 51I just checked my hotmail inbox, and found an ad for an American/Canadian recruiter holding jobs fairs in the UK. We are already recruiting from overseas because of our own shortage!
As to cost of foreign nurses, the nursing unions are pursuing cases of filipina nurses who paid the agencies to get here, plus their own air fares, then were employed indefinitely at lower rates as housekeeping staff "until their registrations cleared".
Some employers held their passports, and threatened deportation would take place if they complained, or changed employers.
Jun 11, '02Occupation: Worrywort Joined: Jul '01; Posts: 1,349; Likes: 16The opposing side of the 60 mins story?
Simply put, "buy American".
Why not compare the two working enviroments in the story?
Cost of living to take home pay
Nurse patient ratio, responsibility vs autonomy, social stature, job satisfaction.......ETC.
Where do they think they're headed to? What grand idea of nursing lifestyle have they been sold?
I kind of feel sorry for them. They'll be lied to ya know. They'll be treated like scabs at a union picket..............they have no idea what the word "exploited" means yet. If they actually become Americans then what? This system that we have now will sell them out later for another race of desperate individuals.
No way, we can't allow the focus to be turned away from the actual catalyst for these feelings we're having. The focus must remain on the suits that are exploiting ALL nurses EVERYWHERE..........it's not about race really, but nursing.
Jun 11, '02Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 6,855; Likes: 8,512Here's another angle on being exploited...
I was given an 8 hour shift last week at our local
major public hopsital ( remember, I do agency nursing) Off I toddled to work at 0650, arrived on the ward at 0700 ready for a full days work. Received handover, proceeded on with my list of patients & the day was underway. At 0940, the RN in charge for the day comes & informs me that management ( this is a privately managed PUBLIC hospital??!)has phoned & has decreed I won't be needed after 1100 !!...Now, here I was, had the ward running like a top, patients well organised & feeling fine...not to mention me feeling pleased that I'd earn a nice days wage. There was nothing i could do, I just had to sign off at 100 & go home!
Home I went, phoned the agency, they were furious as well. We'd BOTH been HAD by this hospital! They booked a nurse for 8 hours, fully knowing they only wanted someone for 4!!...The agency had hospitals screaming for staff for a GUARANTEED full 8 hours shift, but instead of being able to send me to one of those hospitals, they sent me ot his other place, believing they wanted me for 8 hours. Not only could've they met the needs of one of the other ( honest) facilities, but, me as well ( 8 hours of work / pay)!!...
Just another example of how some managements are decietful & greedy & the poor bloody nurse cops a raw deal!!...
Cheers from Down Under....
Jun 11, '02Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 6,855; Likes: 8,512OOOPPPSSS... Make that, " I went home at 1100" !
My osteoarthritis is to blame!! LOL...
Or perhaps it's this crazy keyboard!??!.. LOL
Oct 27, '03Occupation: LPN Joined: Oct '03; Posts: 1Just wondering why they won't invest in moreand grants to send single parents to nursing school, make life a bit easier for them while they are in school (financially) and end up with good qualified deserving American nurses who can only boost our economy. Wouldn't it be nice if our country paid our living expenses while we furthered our education??? No different than paying for the living expenses of foreign nurses when they come here.
I'm not agains foreign nurses practicing in this country, that's what makes this country so great, our willingness to welcome all. However, we should first attempt to better the living conditions of our own citizens whom might benefit from assistance while in the process of gaining a an education/profession.
Oct 27, '03Occupation: Retired Specialty: 15 year(s) of experience in Corrections, Psych, Med-Surg ; From: US ; Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 2,246; Likes: 48OZ--you are being had, all right. By your agency.
It is their responsibility to arrange these contracts and it is their responsibility when things like this happen and it is their responsibility to pay you for THEIR screw-ups.