For-Profit, Nonselective NP Schools are Hurting Our Reputation and Credibility

For-profit, nonselective NP programs are becoming more and more popular, and I wanted to share my thoughts and what I have learned from my experience and the experience of others.

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The difference between nurse practitioner (NP) programs has become a topic of interest, and for good reason.  I am going to highlight some of the significant differences between the NP Program that I attended and the program attended by three friends. To provide some background information, the program I completed is a highly rated NP Program from a nonprofit, selective university. My NP Program holds a high ranking on US News & World Report and is considered one of the best in the state. Three of my friends attended one of the largest, for-profit, nonselective nursing universities in the United States.

Within the first year of each of us starting our NP Program, it became apparent that the grading standards and effort required of each of us varied significantly. These variations and inconsistencies grew as we navigated towards graduation. During the more difficult semesters in my own DNP program, I was putting in 100 or more hours for each proctored exam to earn the 85% minimum passing grade. I became frustrated with how easily my friends seemed to pass the classes in their programs, while my program seemed to require endless hours of nonstop studying, isolation, and sacrifice.

My friends and I frequently shared advice on studying methods, time management, and textbook resources. It wasn't until I was asked to read over a friend's research paper for a health policy course that I had to question the integrity of these for-profit, nonselective NP programs. My friend's paper was written at a remedial level of English, with multiple grammatical and punctuation errors. I was stunned. This was the work of a second-year GRADUATE nursing student. I returned my friend's paper with a list of recommended edits and revisions. She thanked me but dismissed my comments, stating that her school did not require "any of those things" and that she had received near-perfect scores on her previous papers. The edits I recommended included the proper use of 'their' and 'there,’ corrections for run-on and fragmented sentences, comma placement, misspelled words, and APA citations. She ultimately decided not to apply my corrections and submitted her paper as it was. I was shocked when she received yet another 'A' to add to her academic repertoire. Meanwhile, my professors returned papers ungraded if there was an extra space at the end of a paragraph. What was happening?

For-profit, nonselective NP programs have become popular, albeit expensive, avenues to obtain a nurse practitioner degree. Admission requirements are minimal. There are no admissions essays. No letters of recommendation are needed. The minimum GPA requirement is lower than that of a selective program, and there are exceptions available if a student does not meet the minimum GPA.

The coursework in for-profit, nonselective NP programs is also different. While turning in a poorly written paper in a nonprofit, selective NP course will get the student a quick referral to the writing lab with a mandatory re-write, the same poorly written paper in a nonselective NP course may earn the student an 'A.’ This would be less concerning if the instructors provided detailed feedback about the mistakes made and how to correct them. From what I have witnessed, these students either continue to make the same writing errors or rely on the 'copy' and 'paste' functions to complete their notes after they transition to clinical practice.

The exams in a for-profit, nonselective NP Program do not carry the same weighted grades as they do in selective NP programs. For example, a student can fail every proctored exam with a score as low as zero in a nonselective program and still pass the class with an 80%. In contrast, courses in a selective NP Program consist of exam scores only. NP courses in for-profit, nonselective programs are graded using an 80/20 ratio of assignments and exams, with exams making up only 20% of the total grade. It is not uncommon for students in these nonselective NP programs to fail (receive a score less than 80%) half or more of their exams and still go on to graduate.

What is surprising to me is that many intelligent and competent nurses intentionally choose for-profit, nonselective NP programs from a pool of higher quality, lower-cost programs. What is the appeal? Is it the simplicity of the admissions process? Are they intimidated by the competitive programs? Do they think the program will be too difficult?

An internet search for NP programs will produce several heavily advertised for-profit, nonselective programs. These schools allocate more money to marketing and recruitment efforts than they do to hiring and retaining well-qualified, experienced faculty. I find this highly concerning. The quality of the faculty may be the reason that some students are graduating from NP programs with subpar writing skills and enough clinical knowledge to pass the board exam but not much else. It is no wonder why most for-profit, nonselective schools provide high-priced, intense board review prep courses to all their NP students after graduation. Passing rates would surely decline without this provision.

Recruiters and employers seldomly know the difference in quality between NP programs, which I found highly frustrating. This could be good or bad, depending on the individual's education, skills, and abilities. This idea that all nurse practitioners are held to the same standard is both inaccurate and harmful. What that standard IS remains the concern. It is especially disappointing to share my degree - a degree that I hold in high esteem - with others who have poor reading and writing abilities.

Several articles have been published in the last two years questioning the quality of NP education. The perceived level of difficulty in nurse practitioner programs has been under fire, as physicians have been skeptical of the NP student's ability to be employed full-time while attending a full-time program. This criticism hurts us all, as it implies that NP programs have become too easy. While I take offense to this, I cannot say that this is entirely off-base. I attended a nonprofit, selective NP Program. My program was not easy in any aspect. No students were permitted to fail an exam without failing the class. My professors rarely awarded grades of 100% to ANY student on ANY assignment. Papers with grammar and punctuation errors were not accepted, let alone graded. There were approximately 36 students in my graduating class. In contrast, my friends were among a graduating class of more than 600.

I understand that nurse practitioners do not have to be high-performing academic scholars to be good providers. However, for-profit, nonselective schools may negatively impact our profession in the future. The reality is that nonselective NP programs are graduating far more nurse practitioners than selective programs. That is not surprising when you consider that nonprofit NP programs are competitive and have a low acceptance rate, while most for-profit NP programs have 90-100% acceptance rates. The for-profit, nonselective NP programs are not just attracting nurses with lower GPAs. Despite the comparatively higher cost of attendance, these programs attract nurses with high GPAs, as well. When the entry-level pay for nurse practitioners does not factor in the student's program, there is little incentive to attend a selective school that is historically more difficult and will require more effort. This negates the work of those of us graduating from reputable programs. This can and does affect NP entry-level salaries and negotiating power. This can damage the credibility of new nurse practitioners. This directly affects our campaign to obtain full practice authority in all states. This trend is something we need to put to an end.

Just now, PMHNPcandidate said:

IMO stands for?

In my opinion. 

Oh thanks! Thought it was something like a specific kind of clinical placement haha

Specializes in Former NP now Internal medicine PGY-3.
2 hours ago, djmatte said:

IMO clinical placement can be a double edged sword. It’s helpful to the students but even if poor quality schools started doing it, I wouldn’t trust the quality of their choices. They’ve already proven inept at validating choices students are doing on their own. I also find value in choosing your own preceptor to the point that it could  help you find a good fit.  Not all places work well for all students. 
 

Better schools could absolutely provide better quality options, but there’s no guarantee. And many big brick and mortar institutions only started their own placement services in the past 3-5 years. But they’re up against the same pool of options as other places so even there you can’t guarantee placement will be quality based. 

If only it was like many of the trades, trade your labor for some training. The medical field is very weird. I guess that would be residency though. I couldn’t fathom going anywhere were a placement somewhere was guaranteed though but I guess people still go to these places out of desperation. PA schools give placement though, not sure why APN stuff seems to be the only one that leaves it up to you at some places. It is not a good look. 

1 hour ago, Tegridy said:

If only it was like many of the trades, trade your labor for some training. The medical field is very weird. I guess that would be residency though. I couldn’t fathom going anywhere were a placement somewhere was guaranteed though but I guess people still go to these places out of desperation. PA schools give placement though, not sure why APN stuff seems to be the only one that leaves it up to you at some places. It is not a good look. 

I valued my ability to choose. Albeit my school hassle a profound list of providers in every state they had an active contract with our previously worked with in the past. All of them vetted with site visits before and during clinical rotations. When you have those tools, you almost interview them for the opportunity to ensure you can find a good fit. 

Specializes in New Critical care NP, Critical care, Med-surg, LTC.
djmatte said:

I valued my ability to choose.

I second this! I may have added this previously on this thread, but I had made a few contacts before starting APRN school so I knew that I had a few options lined up for clinical. I ended up meeting others throughout my program and I think my clinical experiences were outstanding. I had a dedicated preceptor for all 250 hours of each semester. They were all invested in my learning and really took the time to teach me.

I have since seen a few students that have been assigned school placements in units where I have worked. A few times there hasn't been anyone available to precept them specifically that day so they just tagged along and got very little in the way of valuable feedback. While it was only 10 hours or so, when it happens more than once that adds up.  

On the other hand, some people in my program had to switch from family to adult because they couldn't find peds/women's health rotations. So I think guaranteed placement has benefits, but an option of finding your own placements can be good. 

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
PMHNPcandidate said:

Wow...51 years' experience. Glad to hear about your opinion on this. The school I mentioned should probably be Emory. But I have not done so much research and I would like to know more on this topic.

Allnurses seems to add post retirement years as experience.  I only worked as a nurse for 42 years:)

 

Specializes in Psychiatry.

Wow read through this again shaking my head - is there a medical/PA/ANY other profession board where a good chunk of them are literally advocating for lower standards and saying "this is good enough!" Every other professions pushes for the highest standards they can, but nurse practitioners have somehow been brainwashed into thinking more education is bad. Sad.

MentalKlarity said:

Wow read through this again shaking my head - is there a medical/PA/ANY other profession board where a good chunk of them are literally advocating for lower standards and saying "this is good enough!" Every other professions pushes for the highest standards they can, but nurse practitioners have somehow been brainwashed into thinking more education is bad. Sad.

It's a mixed bag. I think most want tighter standards/expectations. But Heaven forbid we challenge the quality of someone's questionable school or education quality out of mills that see thousands of graduates annually in a single field. Those thousands end up with a loud voice.  And make up an oddly large group that use these forums evidenced by the nauseatingly exhausting amount of "my online school won't give me a preceptor" posts. 

Specializes in Psychiatry.
djmatte said:

It's a mixed bag. I think most want tighter standards/expectations. But Heaven forbid we challenge the quality of someone's questionable school or education quality out of mills that see thousands of graduates annually in a single field. Those thousands end up with a loud voice.  And make up an oddly large group that use these forums evidenced by the nauseatingly exhausting amount of "my online school won't give me a preceptor" posts. 

When the for profits graduate thousands a year every year the portion of us qualified graduates goes down. We will soon be a profession where the most likely scenario when you see an NP is a for profit degree mill graduate treating you ... and once they make enough mistakes the profession will crater. The nursing boards are dumbing us down and they are causing an oversupply and ruining our image among the public and other professionals. 

We're arguable already there. 

Specializes in OR, Nursing Professional Development.
MentalKlarity said:

The nursing boards are dumbing us down and they are causing an oversupply and ruining our image among the public and other professionals. 

It's not just the nursing boards. It's also the undergraduate programs where the motto is the bedside nurse is never enough. You must have a career goal beyond. Pushes people into going to schools that accept the lower quality candidates who maybe don't even really want to do it for personal gain, just because they've been told to do it.

Specializes in Emergency, Cardiac, PAT/SPU, Urgent Care.