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Follow-up of the post titled: "Academic dishonesty dilemma! Advice needed, plz..."

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Earlier tonight, the username of dean1987 posted a thread title: "Academic dishonesty dilemma! Advice needed, plz..." I applaud that individual on posting that thread and I hoped everything works out for that individual. Anyways, the reason why I'm this thread is that I want to do a follow-up with, according to the thread "Academic dishonesty dilemma! Advice needed, plz..." Here's my follow-up. Not only have I heard about future nursing students cheating on transcripts, but in the classroom as well. I went to a community college my first 2 years. Then, I transfered into a private 2 year college of nursing. Anyways, during my first semester of nursing school, there was a student in my class who actually did cheat. Here's how. One of my classes held an unscheduled meeting with the instructor to go over an exam that majority of my class did not pass. At the beginning of the unscheduled meeting, the instructor said "Nobody to go to the bathroom until we are finished talking about the exam and answers of why this choice is the best answer, etc." Well, one student wanting to go to the bathroom, instructor said "no." Five minutes later, student leaves the room. However, in that student's hands, was the exam itself. Seven students saw that student leave the room with exam in hand. One of the seven students took a picture of that student leaving the room with their camera phone. While the student was gone, 1 of the 7 students told the instructor. The instructor was in complete shock the rest of day. Ten-15 minutes later, the student walks into the room with a fresh photo copy of the exam along with the original copy. That student did not get kicked out of the school. They received an "F" for that class. Oh, it gets better. That student was allowed to repeat that course again and then on top of that that student was also allowed enroll in corse course and be able to graduate this fall. That's complete crap. What also is complete crap is that I found out that this student has a history of cheating and was cheating on exams in another nursing course. The community college that I was at prevously before I entered nursing school. The student was cheating on exams there, too.

Where am I going with this? My point is that I question on the academic standards of what nursing schools will do when a student commits something out of ordinary. The nursing school that I attend talks the talk, but not walks the walk when it comes to rules. :rolleyes::eek::confused:

Sorry for the long thread. thanks.

elprup, BSN, RN

Has 2 years experience.

Those that cheat during prerequisites will never make it through nursing school, it's too demanding.

Those that cheat during prerequisites will never make it through nursing school, it's too demanding.

Well the person she's talking about is in nursing school already, so...

Da_Milk_of_Amnesia, MSN

Specializes in Critical Care. Has 5 years experience.

I had people cheat in my nursing school and the teachers knew about it and took measures to help prevent it, like move us so there was like 10 feet between each other, backpacks in the front of the rooms, no cells phone on you etc, pretty standard stuff. Well needless to say the one girl that sparked the whole cheating scandal ended up failing the course along with a bunch of other people but it was not for the 'alleged cheating' (no proof was ever found i believe and most of it was hearsay but credible) My teacher gave the hardest final EVER, those that knew the stuff passed and those that relied on other 'sly' methods to help them get thru failed miserably. I passed and was laughing all the way to the bank. This girl deserved ever bit of what she had coming to her. I wouldnt let her get within 20 feet of me with any kind of needle or med..hellllll nooooo

ntgale08

Specializes in Long Term Care.

if a person is a habitual cheater, he/she, IMO, would never pass the nclex.... (how could they if they don't study well?) and most likely, he/she will attempt to cheat during the board exam and will be caught! -- that would mean "good bye nursing career" --- .... money and time gone wasted... it's themselves that they actually fooled around with.

I agree with what the pp said. They might be able to cheat through nursing school, but they're only doing themselves a disservice in the end. You can't cheat the NCLEX. I would say don't worry about this cheater, they will get what they deserve in the end.

FinNurse

Specializes in ER,OR. Has 6 years experience.

In Finland we dont have private schools for nursing, every nursing school is sponsored by the goverment and this is good. So if somebody cheats, she/he will be kicked off the school right away. In prvate school i think the money talks.

Mission

Specializes in Global Health Informatics, MNCH.

I don't think that it makes a difference of the school is private or public. A schools reputation is it's most important asset and it can't afford to have it tarnished by cheaters. I did my BSN at a private school where I'm currently getting my PhD. There's no tolerance for cheating. I know a doctoral student who the faculty had praised because she was so successful at getting funding but once they found out she plagiarized a paper she was kicked out. Same for a few undergrads caught cheating on a test. A school that is a diploma mill, regardless of whether it's public or private, will have less concern for academic integrity.

People who cheat really frustrate me.

There was an incident in one of my classes. After tests, we were required to leave the room and wait for the rest of the class to finish. So we waited in a vestibule down the hall from the class. Several of us had left the room and were in the vestibule discussing the test. A girl from the class came in to the vestibule and listened to what we were saying....then she pulled out her i phone and began texting or searching...who knows.(we all assumed she finished and handed in her test) A few of us decided to go sit in the hall outside of the class. The girl walked right by us, went into the class, sat down and finished her test!!! The teacher could have cared less. He allowed all kinds of cheating in the class, texting to one another during tests, talking during tests, and changing answers after the test and then arguing with him that he marked the test wrong. This went on for the whole semester. I brought it to his attention that by allowing this cheating to go on....he is giving an edge to these cheaters and helping them get competitive positions in the nursing program that rely on these classes gpa to decide who gets admitted. He said he would take care of it....but he never did....and the cheaters in the class? they got A's. So did I, but I earned mine.

Hopefully, these cheaters are not going to make it thru nursing school and ultimately harm someone.

KateRN1

Specializes in COS-C, Risk Management. Has 20 years experience.

I taught briefly in a nursing program. I was told that I had to pass students who cheated, who turned in partially and wholly plagiarized term papers, etc., so that the school wouldn't lose their state funding. If everyone who'd cheated had been terminated from the program, I might have graduated 3 students. They do make it through nursing school and they do pass NCLEX, although they don't pass my gurney test and I hope I never have to have some of those students as my nurse.

Finding new and ever sneaky ways of cheating in class is one thing. How does one get a transcript sent out with false info on it? The only way I could think would be to hack the university IT department and change your grades.

classicdame, MSN, EdD

Specializes in Hospital Education Coordinator.

it is much more difficult to cheat on the NCLEX.

Remember this person if and when you have to work with them. A cheat is also a liar.

hearts895, RN BSN

Specializes in Critical Care.

Those that cheat during prerequisites will never make it through nursing school, it's too demanding.

I generally agree. I have known of girls who cheat, and I have probably witnessed it happening in pr-req classes (can't totally prove it). I think its wrong, but I know that they won't make it through nursing school. Even if they do, there is absolutely no way to cheat on the NCLEX, so hopefully that will weed them out. Crime doesn't pay, and I believe that for the most part people who cheat will eventually be weeded out. That being said, I would never "tattle-tell" or "snitch" (whatever you wanna call it) on someone. Right or wrong (I make no argument either way lol) its just the way I was raised. But I will never cheat, and I hope those that do get weeded out. I figure most of them will anyways.

if a person is a habitual cheater, he/she, IMO, would never pass the nclex.... (how could they if they don't study well?) and most likely, he/she will attempt to cheat during the board exam and will be caught! -- that would mean "good bye nursing career" --- .... money and time gone wasted... it's themselves that they actually fooled around with.

Actually they could. Maybe they know enough and only need a good review class. The chances aren't good, but very possible. I personally would not want to work with that person on the floor. Just think about what they will do to "cheat" the patients or their coworkers.

Also, if they cheated to get into nursing school, they probably bumped a few honest hard working students. Instructors really need to be on top of cheating and stop ignoring it.

llg, PhD, RN

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development. Has 43 years experience.

Sometimes, doing the right thing (reporting the cheater, etc.) produces the result we want -- justice. Sometimes, it doesn't.

All we can do is do our best to keep ourselves and each other honest and our profession one we can be proud of.

fiveofpeep

Specializes in critical care, PACU. Has 2 years experience.

we had bouts of plagiarism and cheating at my school and they did follow through. the kids failed the class and could try again just one more time. only one of them got caught cheating again and he is out for good.

I taught briefly in a nursing program. I was told that I had to pass students who cheated, who turned in partially and wholly plagiarized term papers, etc., so that the school wouldn't lose their state funding. If everyone who'd cheated had been terminated from the program, I might have graduated 3 students. They do make it through nursing school and they do pass NCLEX, although they don't pass my gurney test and I hope I never have to have some of those students as my nurse.

This post is the most disturbing thing I have read on this subject.

Those that believe they should "look the other way" in life, should never be given responsibility of any kind, IMO. There are many other jobs where you will find happiness, sorry to break the news to you that nursing is not one of them.