Just a small anecdote that happened when working at the National Neurological hospital in central London - it's the most prestigious neuro hospital in the country.
Anyway, my friend made the headlines of the local tabloids because we were both working there as temp nurses, and we'd only worked a few shifts before, but the surgeon was used to the nurses automatically getting his cup of tea, but as we were new there, had no idea. But he didn't tell me to get the tea (maybe because I was a guy) but he asked my friend (who was female) where his cup of tea was.
She politely told him she was there to fetch his tea for him.
The doctor didn't exactly complain, well, nothing official, but he did speak to the charge nurse, who did excused the temp nurses actions and had a quiet word with her.
My friend wasn't happy about this, moaned about it to her friends outside of work, one of whom happened to work in the newspaper business, and suddenly her story is on the front page of the paper.
Respectfully again, I did not explain any of the facts and the details of the situation. So neither you nor anyone else on this thread has any information whatsoever about the situation I referred to. I did not say there was anything bizarre about the situation; in fact I did not say anything about it. You can conjecture that there was no emergency; you can conjecture that there was an emergency; you can conjecture that I should have done x; you can conjecture that I should have done y. You can conjecture that the interaction that I said took place was reasonable; you can conjecture that it was unreasonable. Without factual information, which I declined to provide, all you are dealing with is your ideas about what may or may not have happened. Ideas are not facts.
Ok, then.....in which case, there is no point in discussing this further (did we actually discuss it at all?).
You believe it is unreasonable to expect a provider to take a break during the workday that would render him or her unavailable for a few minutes, a half hour. The rest of us here, it seems, find your opinion on such a situation to be unreasonable.
Yeah, I've only had to use the on call physician on nights and weekends when I'm questioning if I need to go to the ED. They always say it can take up to an hour for a call back.
Exactly! No provider lives in his office, never taking a single break, nor taking a single day off from work. For the times when there's going to be a stretch of hours or days (like weekends, and nights, and holidays, vacations) patients are going to be presented with one of two options: use the on-call provider, OR go to the ED.
But expecting a provider to drop everything the instant a patient calls, regardless of whatever else is going on....well, that's a bit much IMHO.
Ok, then.....in which case, there is no point in discussing this further (did we actually discuss it at all?).
You believe it is unreasonable to expect a provider to take a break during the workday that would render him or her unavailable for a few minutes, a half hour. The rest of us here, it seems, find your opinion on such a situation to be unreasonable.
Viva le difference!
As I said, you have no knowledge of the situation I referred to. If you had more knowledge, I think you may not be so quick to assume that I am being unreasonable.
Respectfully again, I did not explain any of the facts and the details of the situation. So neither you nor anyone else on this thread has any information whatsoever about the situation I referred to. I did not say there was anything bizarre about the situation; in fact I did not say anything about it. You can conjecture that there was no emergency; you can conjecture that there was an emergency; you can conjecture that I should have done x; you can conjecture that I should have done y. You can conjecture that the interaction that I said took place was reasonable; you can conjecture that it was unreasonable. Without factual information, which I declined to provide, all you are dealing with is your ideas about what may or may not have happened. Ideas are not facts.
Okay, so what then was the point of your post if you were not going to give the pertinent information? Really, why did you post a partial story that makes the reader incapable of having any kind of informed opinion about it? Surely you must have had a reason for posting this.
As I said, you have no knowledge of the situation I referred to. If you had more knowledge, I think you may not be so quick to assume that I am being unreasonable.
Ok, time to get over this circular argument.
you don't want to share your marbles than don't but please stop challenging the others.
Either you show your hand to play or move on
Or is this the hill you are making your final stand on?
Okay, so what then was the point of your post if you were not going to give the pertinent information? Really, why did you post a partial story that makes the reader incapable of having any kind of informed opinion about it? Surely you must have had a reason for posting this.
Which post are you referring to? My first post was a personal experience related to tea and doctors. The title of this thread is "fetching the doctor's tea." At least one person replied to my first post, and I responded. Other people responded and I responded to their posts. I responded according to what I felt was important for me to say, as I presume other posters did.
Which post are you referring to? My first post was a personal experience related to tea and doctors. The title of this thread is "fetching the doctor's tea." At least one person replied to my first post, and I responded. Other people responded and I responded to their posts. I responded according to what I felt was important for me to say, as I presume other posters did.
Yes, you posted something about "tea," but the reader is, according to you, not allowed to have an opinion about your post because they don't have any of the pertinent information. So WHY would you post something incomplete that doesn't allow anyone reading it to have an opinion about it? Surely you had a purpose in posting it, a point you were trying to make, right?
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Ok I am going to bite the bullet and say I have been nursing since the middle 80's in the north of the U.K. a and not once did we get tea/coffee for any doctor whether it was house officer to consultant and not one expected it
Sorry ,must disagree . Rarely is history irrelevant . Often,it's what we learn from. Hopefully.
Your ' Time in Service ' is revealing . Tip of the iceberg kind of thing . Buck up though, you'll catch on.
Fact is, I read of something 'similar but different' in a Nursing history reminiscence from a woman (of course ) that described nursing routine at that time.She was to stand quietly by, After preparing His tea.To be ready when He arrived . Speak only when spoken to,and the tea need not be requested . Nor a Doctor's Orders ever questioned ! History has paved the way for you to the well-paying job that you now seem to enjoy . If you find it " irrelevant ",you've already lost.
Before I forget , that bit of History was also from '98 or '99 . No peeking !
Yes, it was 1898-99, give or take a decade or two .
Yes, you posted something about "tea," but the reader is, according to you, not allowed to have an opinion about your post because they don't have any of the pertinent information. So WHY would you post something incomplete that doesn't allow anyone reading it to have an opinion about it? Surely you had a purpose in posting it, a point you were trying to make, right?
On at least one post on this thread I have stated to the effect that anyone is free to insist on whatever opinion they wish in regard to the situation I mentioned, but that since I have posted no factual information in regard to that situation or any details of any kind. their opinions are not based on the facts of the situation. It was never my intention to reveal the facts of the situation. My first post, as you saw, was a personal experience related to tea and doctors.
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Ok, then.....in which case, there is no point in discussing this further (did we actually discuss it at all?).
You believe it is unreasonable to expect a provider to take a break during the workday that would render him or her unavailable for a few minutes, a half hour. The rest of us here, it seems, find your opinion on such a situation to be unreasonable.
Viva le difference!