So y'all going to run out now and get it, now that it's no longer an "experimental, unapproved drug"? . . . . . Yeah, didn't think so. More Like This CDC Decides to Stop Tracking Community Transmission of COVID-19 by Praveen, MSN, RN Does the shot mess with your DNA? by Floor_Nurse Canadian Nursing Shortage: Why Canadian Nurses are Leaving Permanent Staff Positions by LOMalleyCommunications Ethical Arguments Against Mandatory Vaccination by ldhrn73
toomuchbaloney 10,803 Posts Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice. Has 44 years experience. Aug 20, 2021 They'll move the goal posts or identify some other contrived bit of proof or reassurance that they require...it's a pattern of behavior.
Editorial Team / Moderator Lunah, MSN, RN 33 Articles; 13,748 Posts Specializes in EMS, ED, Trauma, CNE, CEN, CPEN, TCRN. Has 15 years experience. Aug 20, 2021 This is going to be interesting for the military — an approved vaccine is a mandatory vaccine. If course, anyone who has been in for a minute remembers the anthrax vaccine. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2021/06/17/troops-who-refused-anthrax-vaccine-paid-a-high-price/
Horseshoe, BSN, RN 5,879 Posts Aug 20, 2021 The lack of FDA approval has been a straw man for many. Now they will say the approval was "rushed," therefore not valid.
macawake, MSN 2,141 Posts Has 15 years experience. Aug 20, 2021 1 hour ago, klone said: So y'all going to run out now and get it, now that it's no longer an "experimental, unapproved drug"? I suspect not. It is obvious to me that the hardcore antivaxxers just found the EUA status a convenient thing to harp on about. They have no plans of getting vaccinated. Ever. They will just find something new to make a fuss about. And since truth and facts don’t matter to them, I’m sure they’ll think of something. It’s exactly like TMB said, they just move the goal posts. But I am hopeful that more ”moderate” vaccine sceptics who mistakenly felt that the EUA approval might have meant that the vaccines weren’t safe and well studied in clinical trials, will feel more confident and reassured now when they start getting full approval status.
jive turkey 677 Posts Specializes in A variety. Has 11 years experience. Aug 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, Horseshoe said: The lack of FDA approval has been a straw man for many. Now they will say the approval was "rushed," therefore not valid. The argument you may want to prepare for is the numerous FDA approved drugs that were later recalled.
SmilingBluEyes 20,964 Posts Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis. Has 26 years experience. Aug 21, 2021 Oh so you won't take medications in case they MAY have FDA approval withdrawn? Because that includes so many from blood pressure meds to sleeping pills. Are you fortunate enough not to be on any medications, over the counter or otherwise, Jive? I have not even touched on supplements and complimentary therapies yet........
toomuchbaloney 10,803 Posts Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice. Has 44 years experience. Aug 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, jive turkey said: The argument you may want to prepare for is the numerous FDA approved drugs that were later recalled. Yes. That is one of the unfounded "concerns" spread among the unvaccinated.
jive turkey 677 Posts Specializes in A variety. Has 11 years experience. Aug 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said: Oh so you won't take medications in case they MAY have FDA approval withdrawn? Because that includes so many from blood pressure meds to sleeping pills. Are you fortunate enough not to be on any medications, over the counter or otherwise, Jive? I have not even touched on supplements and complimentary therapies yet........ Sometimes people are in such a hurry to fight they speak on things without knowing what they're talking about. I sure hope you're not among them. You're getting in the habit of replying to things I say without having your facts straight. Try doing that. I made no reference to myself in that quote. By the way, all the drugs you listed plus supplements, don't have any mandates to go with them or public criticism to take it. Apples n oranges.
macawake, MSN 2,141 Posts Has 15 years experience. Aug 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, jive turkey said: The argument you may want to prepare for is the numerous FDA approved drugs that were later recalled. They may well try to float that idea, but in my opinion it’s a pretty silly argument. First of all, the number of drugs that were approved and later recalled for safety reasons is quite a small percentage compared to the total number of medications approved and still in use, or simply retired because they’ve been replaced by a new generation/class of drugs. Secondly I’d ask anyone suggesting that is something to be worried about, if they know of any other medication or vaccine that we’ve managed to amass such a humongous amount of safety data on, before approval. How many Pfizer vaccine doses (since it looks like it’s the one that will be approved first) have been administered worldwide? A billion? More? If people think that most meds are normally administered in the billions before full approval, they are mistaken. The safety data we have on the vaccine is ridiculously well powered to find even the most rare side effects. And it anyone suggest time is a factor, I’ll ask them to name the names of vaccines where serious side effects took years to identify. Nope.
klone, MSN, RN 14,573 Posts Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership. Has 17 years experience. Aug 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, macawake said: If people think that most meds are normally administered in the billions before full approval, they are mistaken. The safety data we have on the vaccine is ridiculously well powered to find even the most rare side effects. And it anyone suggest time is a factor, I’ll ask them to name the names of vaccines where serious side effects took years to identify. Nope. this bears repeating. Over and over
SmilingBluEyes 20,964 Posts Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis. Has 26 years experience. Aug 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, jive turkey said: Sometimes people are in such a hurry to fight they speak on things without knowing what they're talking about. I sure hope you're not among them. You're getting in the habit of replying to things I say without having your facts straight. Try doing that. I made no reference to myself in that quote. By the way, all the drugs you listed plus supplements, don't have any mandates to go with them or public criticism to take it. Apples n oranges. Try being polite. I am doing what you appear to be doing: Playing devil's advocate. It's what you have been doing on a lot of these threads.
