Failed for Clinical-but no proof

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Hello,

i would like some opinions on my experience. I am filing a grievance with my school because I am being failed for clinical. This was my first semester of nursing for an associates degree. I passed all written test with a B and the final skills again however I was failed for clinical.

I had a feeling right from the beginning that my instructor did not like me for some reason. The way she talked to me. On our first day of clinical my instructor failed to explain certain rules such as where to use our phones if we receive an important call she said to take them “off the floor”. She said that what”happens in clinical stays in clinical “ whatever that means and sent an email to our group stating this. I was having an issue with doing an assignment and my instructor was not around the second week of my semester and I asked another instructor for help. The instructor told me that my instructor was not doing the assignment correctly and she asked to speak with the instructor when she came in. I am not sure if I got my instructor in trouble or not. That was not my intention. She later sent out an email that night stating that what happens in clinical stays in clinical . I felt like this might have started the getting off on the wrong foot type of thing. I was using my phone one day and my instructor told me that I was using it in the wrong area and was very upset with me. I apologized and told her I thought I was off the floor and I didn’t know where I should be using it. My instructor pulled me aside the next day and told me I was failing clinical. When I asked what for she told me that it was for using my phone in the wrong area , for being late once (I was), and also because I seemed “disinterested” . I thought that was a very subjective reason to fail me so I asked her is there anything I did wrong to make her feel that way. She told me she saw me sitting down in lab one day for a few minutes. I explained to her that I have a chronic illness and my legs hurt from time to time and we had been standing that day for five hours without a break. She said “ok well we all have our problems I just need to see more interest from you”. I felt we response was harsh and not very understanding and I just got a bad feeling and thought she was treating me this way in relation to the assignment I might have gotten her into trouble for so I asked to meet with the nursing director.

I met with the director and told her about what was going on . I told her I didn’t like the way my instructor spoke to me condescendingly and also how when I told her about my issue with my legs she didn’t respond very compassionately. The director told me to make sure I am on time in the future and to maybe explain in more detail to my instructor what is going on with my health and she would also talk to my instructor about her treatment towards me. I thought that it was none of my isntructors business about my health , I had already given her enough information and I did not want to make it seem like I was throwing a pity party. But I did get an accommodation from my school, even though we aren’t required to stand in lab, that said I would need frequent breaks for my legs. I never heard back from the director about her meeting with my instructor but I was told about two weeks later that I was getting a clinical warning. I showed up to the meeting and was given a warning for :

1) being late once

2) being on my phone in wrong area

3) sitting down in lab and it says I was on my phone (I don’t remember exactly what I was doing but I know I was taking a break) apparently we can’t have phones in lab I did not know this

4) a patient I had was found with “her pants around her ankles and I could not be found anywhere “

i said that I accepted the other three things but this was the first I was hearing about this patient. I asked if there was a call light left with the patient and if it was verified if the patient pulled her pants down herself. The director looked at my instructor and asked her this and my instructor shook her head no and threw her hands up like she didn’t know. I then said well why should I be given a warning for something not verified? The director then said that I need to still take responsibility for my patients even if I did not pull her pants down. I thought this was ridiculous. She also said perhaps I should tell someone where I’m going if im going to be away from the patient for a long time. I told her that I was never told this and patients are left alone for sometimes half an hour and I was gone 10-15 mins at most . Nothing was said and I was still given this warning.

I was given a second warning because a patient complained about me and a cna having an innapropriate conversation. The cna was talking to me about her boyfriend getting a vasectomy in front of a patient and I did not know what to do or say so I kept changing the subject. I did not report this because I did not want it to come back on to me from the cna and receive any kind of retaliation from the CNA. My instructor went to speak with the patient I believe and then notified the director of this. I explained that I was not told what I should do in this type of situation and it wasn’t until later in the semester that we were told to report these things to our instructor . I was told it was common sense to have reported this or told the cna she was behaving innapropriately. I disagreed.

Another patient complained that I “didn’t know what I was doing” and didn’t want me back. The previous day I had been caring for this patient heavily medicated on narcotics and she was in a very bad mood. She wanted me to leave her alone most of the time, would not let me assess her completely, kept asking for pain medication when it wasn’t due, and became upset when a bandage she had been getting from a cna was not given to her by me. I couldn’t give it to her because the bandage needed an order and the cna was giving it without one. I spoke to the nurse on duty and she said the bandage was innapropriate for her foot which just had dry skin on it. I told her this and she became upset. I told my instructor how can a patient claim to know that I don’t know what I’m doing if their not a doctor or nurse? I told her her complaint was vague and that she just wanted something I couldn’t give her. My instructor said well I will get more information. She came back and told me well the patient said that you didn’t assess her fully and really if your patient was in a bad mood like you said you should have came to me. I said “well you never told me to report on a patients mood this is the first I’m hearing of this so why should I be written up for this?” And she told me she had to report it anyways. It was true that the patient would only let me listen to her lungs to a certain extent because she was in a bad mood . I documented this on my clinical sheet but I did not report it to my instructor.

I met with the director again and told her that I was having issues communicating with my instructor still. I told her that she had become so rude that I didn’t feel comfortable speaking to her at all Especially when she was rude in front of my peers to me. I told her that I am being failed for things that were not communicated to me. She said well you are being given another clinical warning but you still have a week left of class and if you meet the objectives you may still pass. She didn’t say anything about how my instructor was acting and said she had a meeting to go to. I was given another warning. This time I brought a support person who was there for support but also really to be a witness to this all. He was from the school in a different department. He told me it seemed like they were failing me for petty reasons and for things that were not communicated to me.

I was walking in school one day and someone told me that I was not supposed to have mace on my key ring. A security guard came and took it away. I apologized and said I didn’t know because it was legal everywhere else. This week was the last week of clinical and my instructor said I did very well and met all the objectives. She told me I would pass clinical. I went for my clinical evelauation however and the director told me I failed! She said she had given it thought and decided that overall looking at the semester as a whole I had not met the objectives. They also brought up the mace. I said well I did not bring it to clinical and it was an honest mistake and I was also told that if I met these objectives by a certain date I would pass! I was told sorry but the decision has been made.

I filed a grievance with the school and I also went to my clinical location. I asked to see the complaints against me. I was told by the director there that she only deals with the school because of HIPA and also that the complaints are verbal and that nothing was written down. I think that I shouldn’t be failed based on basically hearsay then if that’s the truth! My aunt who is a nurse said that the director there could have been telling me the truth because incident reports are only written over serious things but she also said maybe you should go back and have a witness to hear her say that they don’t write things down on patients complaints. I still have the other things against me which I don’t know if that’s enough to fail me over but am I right to think that they can’t fail me if these things weren’t written down? I know that the way it happened with the complaints is that a nurse passed a message on to staff for the following day about the complaint. The staff that day then told my instructor about it . Then I believe my instructor spoke to the patient . Then my instructor called the director or texted her about it. There could possibly be a text about what my instructor heard from the patient that was sent to the director but that’s it! Unless this director of the clinical is lying to me and it is written down somewhere . What do you think?

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
12 hours ago, Misscruella said:

Ok well I obviously can’t get my instructor to come on here and comment on my thread. So I don’t know what to tell you about that. I don’t know what you think I have to gain to lie about this situation or mislead anyone.

Once again, I think you misunderstand. I have heard only your side of the story, and I still think you were in the wrong. Hearing your instructor's side isn't necessary because I think, based on your account, that you were in the wrong. I don't really believe -- nor should you, apparently -- that your instructor is going to add anything to the discussion that will make your actions seem more RIGHT. I am sorry that you are hurt but I think your anger is misplaced.

I'm also grateful to your instructor for failing you.

You have not taken accountability for your misjudgment. You're still spouting excuses and carrying on about how unfair it is that other students "got away with" infractions that you did not get away with. Two things: you don't know about the disciplinary status of another student -- those matters are confidential unless the student shares them. And one more thing -- it could be that the NUMBER of your missteps and misjudgments combined with your lack of accountability (excuses, focusing on "unfairness" and what other students did or didn't do) influenced the instructor to fail you.

I don't honestly think you're going to magically understand me this time when you have shown such an incapacity to not understand viewpoints with which you disagree thus far in the thread. I am hoping that other students in your place or potentially in your place will learn from this thread, however, so I am grateful to you for starting the thread.

The bottom line is that nurses, nursing students and PEOPLE who refuse to take accountability and don't learn from their mistakes are unsafe -- dangerous, even. We all make mistakes. But when we do, we need to be accountable and we need to learn from them.

The dean of the school told me that even if I did make mistakes that unless they were numerous and I caused possible harm to patients I shouldn’t be failed to the point of not being able to apply to other schools. It also states in the student handbook that if I am given a warning as long as I show that I have improved such as being given the warning about where to use my phone, (I did not continue to use my phone in the wrong areas) then I should be able to continue on in the program. He also stated that patient complaints should be documented. And lastly, I was told that I should not be treated differently than other students. You say that that is life that people will be treated differently but it is different when your instructor is following you around and targeting you so that you do fail. That kind of behavior doesn’t give me much of a chance to succeed and it shouldn’t be tolerated by the nursing program. Yes, I did make mistakes but I didn’t continue making the same mistakes. I showed I was capable of learning from my mistakes. I am not incapable of seeing others views but as you can see the differing views in this thread, and from my feedback I am getting from the dean of the school, it is difficult for me to accept one viewpoint as being the correct one. The fact is that different people have had some different viewpoints about certain things that transpired which is why I am filing my grievance. Even if I was failed I should not be barred from other nursing programs and some of these things for which I was failed for should be taken off of my student record is my point, Ruby vee. I am not arguing that I should not have been failed, but more the circumstances for which I was failed which is prohibiting me from continuing on in a nursing career. I don’t think YOU are getting it.

19 hours ago, BagelBomber said:

You don't need to be a mind reader...it is common sense to let someone know you will stepping off the floor or be away from your patient. Leaving without telling anyone is negligent. Period.

Also, RubyVee's point is likely that you continue to bring up the faults of others, but that is not the focus of your original post. The clinical instructor didn't like you...okay...so that was all the more reason you should have made sure your butt was covered and you were the best possible student you could be.

That’s your point of view. I believe there was someone on this thread that posted that they did not assume they had to tell everyone where they were going because there were CNAs and nurses caring for the patients. Different people think differently which is why expectations should be explained. I really just assumed I would have to tell someone if I was gone for say, 30 minutes and my patient was waiting for me but I left my patient for about ten minutes to go and get her towels and face cloths to give her a bath. My aunt who is a nurse said she would often have multiple patients a shift and would be away from a patient for that amount of time and unless she was taking a break it wasn’t really an issue. I also asked the dean about this and he shared the same opinion of mine that unless the patient was left in an unsafe situation or I was away from the patient to go take a break or was gone for an extended amount of time then he did not see what the issue was.

I agree with the many people who believe that you are spending way too much time defending your every action and not near enough time on self reflection.

One thing I do agree with you about is that you have said nothing to indicate you are unsafe so that you couldn't start anew in another school, if you meet all other criteria for those programs.

But do understand something important:

Everywhere you go, there you are. If you continue to run into professors who make your life hell just for the mere fact that they don't like you, and everyone else but you gets to do anything they want with no repercussions, then the problem is most likely not them, but you.

Good luck to you.

27 minutes ago, Horseshoe said:

I agree with the many people who believe that you are spending way too much time defending your every action and not near enough time on self reflection.

One thing I do agree with you about is that you have said nothing to indicate you are unsafe so that you couldn't start anew in another school, if you meet all other criteria for those programs.

But do understand something important:

Everywhere you go, there you are. If you continue to run into professors who make your life hell just for the mere fact that they don't like you, and everyone else but you gets to do anything they want with no repercussions, then the problem is most likely not them, but you.

Good luck to you.

I am not defending myself, I am just trying to give as many details about what happened because so many people have asked for more details and I have had to submit all of this information to the school for my grievance. For example I was asked well did the instructor explain where to use your phone? What part of the the nursing home were you using your phone? All of these questions were asked by the dean. I think the details do matter. I’m sorry if you interpreted that as me focusing on every detail or defending myself. I feel that I made mistakes but I do not feel that they constitute a safety risk so that I can’t apply at other schools. I have another associates degree, and have never failed a class in my life so I guess that could answer your question perhaps.

If you're dealing with this at the dean's level, it'll probably get cleared up since you were failed over patient complaints, but there's a lack of documented patient complaints.

Just make sure that you stick to the most important concept of the working world, that if it's not in writing, it didn't happen. I also wouldn't worry too much about not being able to get into other programs. If you're getting denied because your school notes that you were unsafe with patients, but really does have nothing documented to back that up... a good lawyer can get that cleared up, and get you covered through going back to a different school, possibly without even having to worry about working during that time.

And welcome to the healthcare world. If someone doesn't like you, this is the effort they will go through to make sure that your career is over. Just be lucky that this happened now, and not after you're licensed with a lot more to lose. This is just something that's common. In every job, there's that one person who feels that it's their duty to decide who is and isn't good enough. Usually, it's someone who's been there for years who's not making themselves marketable for advancement and lacks the skills to move onto something better.

On 2/8/2019 at 4:25 PM, Misscruella said:

I left my patient for about ten minutes to go and get her towels and face cloths to give her a bath. My aunt who is a nurse said she would often have multiple patients a shift and would be away from a patient for that amount of time and unless she was taking a break it wasn’t really an issue. I also asked the dean about this and he shared the same opinion of mine that unless the patient was left in an unsafe situation or I was away from the patient to go take a break or was gone for an extended amount of time then he did not see what the issue was.

Yes, nurses have multiple patients, which is why when they have a student get one of their patients in clinical I look at it as an opportunity to alleviate as much stress from their day as I can. Yes, no one is with a patient every moment unless they have a sitter.

The issue is, within those ten minutes (which how it takes ten minutes to get some towels and wash cloths is beyond me- as is why you did not have towels and cloths handy if you were planning to clean her up, but that's a different thread entirely), your patient managed to put herself in a less than desirable situation. I totally see your side of the story in that the incident and subsequent complaints cannot be verified. All I'm saying, is in your original post you indicated the issue stemmed from your patient being found with her pants down and how you were "no where to be found." If you tell someone (anyone on the floor, really), "Oh, I'm grabbing Ms. Jane some towels and wash cloths, I'll be right back," then at least the complaint would have less to do with neglect. Things happen, patients get out of bed despite bed alarms; patients code when you just checked on them five minutes ago...but really, someone should always know where you are. You are not a nurse that has a locator on (not sure where you are, but most places I've had clinicals, every nurse has a phone and locator so they can be easily found), you are a student who neglected to inform someone of your whereabouts because "no one told you to."

3 hours ago, BagelBomber said:

Yes, nurses have multiple patients, which is why when they have a student get one of their patients in clinical I look at it as an opportunity to alleviate as much stress from their day as I can. Yes, no one is with a patient every moment unless they have a sitter.

The issue is, within those ten minutes (which how it takes ten minutes to get some towels and wash cloths is beyond me- as is why you did not have towels and cloths handy if you were planning to clean her up, but that's a different thread entirely), your patient managed to put herself in a less than desirable situation. I totally see your side of the story in that the incident and subsequent complaints cannot be verified. All I'm saying, is in your original post you indicated the issue stemmed from your patient being found with her pants down and how you were "no where to be found." If you tell someone (anyone on the floor, really), "Oh, I'm grabbing Ms. Jane some towels and wash cloths, I'll be right back," then at least the complaint would have less to do with neglect. Things happen, patients get out of bed despite bed alarms; patients code when you just checked on them five minutes ago...but really, someone should always know where you are. You are not a nurse that has a locator on (not sure where you are, but most places I've had clinicals, every nurse has a phone and locator so they can be easily found), you are a student who neglected to inform someone of your whereabouts because "no one told you to."

I was explaining in my first post what my instructor told me and the faculty, that my patient was found with her pants down and me nowhere to be found. Here’s what happened, to give you more details. I introduced myself to my patient, I got her breakfast, and then I explained to her that I was going to get her towels and washcloths for a bath. I got her up and put her in a wheelchair and left her in front of the tv. I went to find washcloths as I had never given a bath to someone at that facility before. I could not find them. I asked someone where they were and they told me that they had not been brought down yet and I would have to go to the other side of the wing, hence taking ten minutes to find them. Now in my opinion, ten minutes is not long to leave someone and like you said a patient could get in to some sort of trouble when you just left them. I would have had no problem telling someone where I was going, but that needs to be communicated with me. I should know who to tell, and I should be told “if your away from your patient for this long of a time you should tell this person”. Because in my opinion ten minutes isn’t long and I left my patient in a safe position. I understand your opinion that perhaps it is common sense to tell someone where your going, but I don’t think it is. I saw students leave their patients for a half hour checking on other patients and I did not see them tell anyone where they were going. It was only explained to us that if we leave our patient for something to make sure their wheelchairs are locked and a call light is with them.

4 hours ago, BagelBomber said:

Yes, nurses have multiple patients, which is why when they have a student get one of their patients in clinical I look at it as an opportunity to alleviate as much stress from their day as I can. Yes, no one is with a patient every moment unless they have a sitter.

The issue is, within those ten minutes (which how it takes ten minutes to get some towels and wash cloths is beyond me- as is why you did not have towels and cloths handy if you were planning to clean her up, but that's a different thread entirely), your patient managed to put herself in a less than desirable situation. I totally see your side of the story in that the incident and subsequent complaints cannot be verified. All I'm saying, is in your original post you indicated the issue stemmed from your patient being found with her pants down and how you were "no where to be found." If you tell someone (anyone on the floor, really), "Oh, I'm grabbing Ms. Jane some towels and wash cloths, I'll be right back," then at least the complaint would have less to do with neglect. Things happen, patients get out of bed despite bed alarms; patients code when you just checked on them five minutes ago...but really, someone should always know where you are. You are not a nurse that has a locator on (not sure where you are, but most places I've had clinicals, every nurse has a phone and locator so they can be easily found), you are a student who neglected to inform someone of your whereabouts because "no one told you to."

Her patient could have taken off her pants at any time. This seems like way more of a scapegoat. Now, if the patient did that and she didn't check on her for 2 hours, then it would be a different story. But to blame her over being gone for a couple minutes is ridiculous. If what that patient did justifies her being in trouble, then the nurse and the aide should also be in trouble. She doesn't work there, they're still ultimately responsible for making sure everything gets done. Having a student does not relieve the nurse and the aide from doing their job with that patient.

And patients strip all the time. You usually can't be there to immediately catch it. A lot of times, they're going to sit like that for a while, because they're never going to have 100% attention unless they have a sitter.

Her only mistake was not telling anyone where she was going. But if it's a single wing just a different hallway and she was looking for towels, it seems more like nobody ever bothered to look for her. My guess is that either her teacher didn't like her, or a family member saw the patient and the hospital threw her under the bus so they didn't look as bad.

If you expect to always catch the patient stripping, or that everyone notifies someone when they go to a different hallway of the same unit, you're going to drive yourself insane when you get done school. Because as an aide, even though she was slow at getting her towels, if her time frame is true, there's way more to her getting in trouble than just the patient taking off her pants.

My take: I am a nursing student.

I also have health issues. I lost 3/4 of an organ.....sucks lol and have sleep issues and not under stress sleep issues, even when not in class, or in school.....on breaks I have sleep issues everyday. Being up early just exacerbates the issues much much worse.

Always discuss things with your instructor first! It can be intimidating and nursing school might make you feel so anxious, that you are too nervous to communicate to a possible unstable issue ( because you are anxious all the time ). However, this is the golden role. I get it, it may not make sense, and at times....it does not. However, there are two types of nurses, " Those Who Eat Their Young", and will want to rat anyone out for a mistake ( not even malicious mistake )....or " Don't Snitch."..AKA we are a team screw the nurses eat their young.....

- So based on those types, obviously from your instructor's email....she was the don't snitch type. However, by going around her, you turned her into the..Nurses eat their young type.

I know it sounds screwed up.....but we never said this was a logical environment did we? The rationale behind the " Don't Snitch type", is to see how you would act in the real world had a problem arise. Do you go to the charge nurse and report someone? Do you go to the physician? Do you complain and a family over heas you?

- In fact, to my last point. My last clinical, I had a question for my nursing instructor....she walked into my pt's room and said, " What's up?"...I then gestured with my finger and under a calm tone, said, "Lets talk out here." I was pointing to the hallway. See in the pt's room was his wife. However, I am not to presume that the wife should know everything. So I made the conversation at a more greater distance, even despite my instructor willing to talk in the room- usually with a family member, it is ok and usually done.....however, we are students...so all you have is your grades and name to protect...

Seems some of the stuff was petty, and it does seem you bumped heads the wrong way and both were probably at fault. I agree that a nursing instructor should have came to you and let you know.....you will fail. So atleast you can withdraw with a W and not get an F. I say this because....this is just logic. If I said ," Dear Mr. Jones...Take My Class Any Further And I Will Fail You." You probably are going to just withdrawo instead of putting in the work and getting an F. It just makes sense lol. A 'W" is better than a "D".

Secondly, if you are going to complain....complain on here or with your friends, not with faculty.....at least before you show that you tried to contact your professor/instructor about the issue. Leave a trail....via email or phone call. Nowadays, you have a call log on your cell phone. Basically have proof you tried to reach out to your instructor.

Don't believe I don't just talk, but do what I say. I wrote on here about what to do....before I did it.

I called my instructor and left a message on VM. So now that is a trail. I also have documentation of what I was talking about. Will it work in my favor? Who knows......but I built an ok relationship with professors that if I am to be screwed....atleast I will get the heads up. I ended up in the E.R over health issues. Nothing I can do.....But just follow protocol and do what is best. My issues are I was told the program offered afternoons....before and after acceptance....they do NOT ....so that screws my health issues. Can I call student affairs and disability services to complain....absolutely!!! Did I do it? No. You know why? The Director would be tossed in there.....and I can't change, even though I was told twice.....I can't change they don't have afternoons. So, I can try in the program.....or back out. If I choose to go to student affairs, then I might as well withdraw or be willing to accept I would have to withdraw lol. So.....it's a love...hate relationship.. I have: a 3.8 G.P.A....with 115 credit hours. I have showed up to everything, and didn't toss the director under a bus. They have: My Future grades.......and my finishing my Nursing degree.

What it comes down to....is picking and choosing your battles. You know...you don't learn this over night. Had I been a freshman, I probably would have bumped heads like crazy and proved the facts of the matter and the principle of the point, but no doubt it would be a little, "Extra", harder to pass skill evals- trust me, me having health issues and shutting up for the most part and showing up, when those who are healthy and complain and have all their organs....it might help me on skill evals where subjectivity is there. I have 3 semesters left and I am done.....if it works out, it may not.

Look I am not an expert, but I hope something from what I wrote helped. If you are going to fight the school, and you do win.....I would though prepare to look at other schools.....and seriously the next semester you have issues.....don't wait till letter grades, hit the W button. So when you go to another university, you don't have to explain the F. Once your time at this school is done, you have to think about yourself....an F is not smart when you know it might be coming.

That is my two cents, but I could be missing a penny, and remember nursing isn't rocket surgery, it's protocol!- Yeah just made that up just now....tired as crap!

19 hours ago, Misscruella said:

I was explaining in my first post what my instructor told me and the faculty, that my patient was found with her pants down and me nowhere to be found. Here’s what happened, to give you more details. I introduced myself to my patient, I got her breakfast, and then I explained to her that I was going to get her towels and washcloths for a bath. I got her up and put her in a wheelchair and left her in front of the tv.

Absolutely a fair point, here. No argument from me on that whatsoever. Of course things happen and patients cannot be handled at every waking moment.

18 hours ago, tonyl1234 said:

Her patient could have taken off her pants at any time. This seems like way more of a scapegoat. Now, if the patient did that and she didn't check on her for 2 hours, then it would be a different story. But to blame her over being gone for a couple minutes is ridiculous. If what that patient did justifies her being in trouble, then the nurse and the aide should also be in trouble. She doesn't work there, they're still ultimately responsible for making sure everything gets done. Having a student does not relieve the nurse and the aide from doing their job with that patient.

And patients strip all the time. You usually can't be there to immediately catch it. A lot of times, they're going to sit like that for a while, because they're never going to have 100% attention unless they have a sitter.

Her only mistake was not telling anyone where she was going. But if it's a single wing just a different hallway and she was looking for towels, it seems more like nobody ever bothered to look for her. My guess is that either her teacher didn't like her, or a family member saw the patient and the hospital threw her under the bus so they didn't look as bad.

If you expect to always catch the patient stripping, or that everyone notifies someone when they go to a different hallway of the same unit, you're going to drive yourself insane when you get done school. Because as an aide, even though she was slow at getting her towels, if her time frame is true, there's way more to her getting in trouble than just the patient taking off her pants.

I would never argue against your point that patients do things by their own free will. I absolutely do not expect to always be right there when my patients get themselves out of sorts; I do, however, expect to let people know where I am, especially as a student. My main point was the OP should not have had to be explicitly told to let someone know where she is. We have established we disagree on that point, and there really isn't much argument or discussion left to be had about it.

I've mentioned in an earlier post that it's clear to me the instructor had an issue with the OP, but as a student I had difficulty understanding how the OP could then give said instructor additional ammo against her. Then it became more about how other students acted and the OP was initially not taking responsibility for her own actions.

1 hour ago, BagelBomber said:

Absolutely a fair point, here. No argument from me on that whatsoever. Of course things happen and patients cannot be handled at every waking moment.

I would never argue against your point that patients do things by their own free will. I absolutely do not expect to always be right there when my patients get themselves out of sorts; I do, however, expect to let people know where I am, especially as a student. My main point was the OP should not have had to be explicitly told to let someone know where she is. We have established we disagree on that point, and there really isn't much argument or discussion left to be had about it.

I've mentioned in an earlier post that it's clear to me the instructor had an issue with the OP, but as a student I had difficulty understanding how the OP could then give said instructor additional ammo against her. Then it became more about how other students acted and the OP was initially not taking responsibility for her own actions.

It’s not that I’m not willing to take responsibility for my own actions though. It’s not like I’m trying to take the focus off of myself by pointing out that the instructor was treating other students differently either. That’s your point of view I suppose but I have made this clear. I spoke to the dean of the school and he said if the instructor is allowing other students to make mistakes but giving me a clinical warning then that’s unfair treatment and I should be filing a grievance with the school. There were many students who made mistakes with it being their first semester and they were passed. Again, this isn’t me trying to say I did nothing wrong. I sound like a broken record at this point. It seems like some people on this thread are either not getting what I’m saying or they are on this board because they get a kick out of telling a person that they were wrong 30,000 times. Then I have to wonder what your intentions are for being on this board. My intention for posting this thread was to see if I have any grounds to overturn my failure or at least be able to re enter next semester. I am not here to be told what I did wrong 30,000 times . I know what I did wrong and I have made that clear. If there is anyone who could offer any insight on what I originally came here for I would appreciate it. Sheesh. Thank you!

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