Evolution and Nursing

GrumpyRN, NP · Apr 11, 2014

Esme12 said:
But the bible does say all men are created equal.

Actually it doesn't. Galatians 3:28 says we are all one in Christ. That means atheists, Muslims, Zoroastrians, in fact everyone who isn't Christian are on the outside and therefore not equal.

GrumpyRN, NP · Apr 11, 2014

elkpark said:
I didn't say I thought any of those things were "right," and, in fact, you're making my point for me. ?

But elsewhere in this thread we have someone saying the bible is the inerrant word of god. Can't have it both ways.

GrumpyRN, NP · Apr 11, 2014

Esme12 said:
While the bible doesn't support evolution....there are people who believe that God created all things. Science and religion are separate subjects and we need to be respectful of each others beliefs.

No, you are looking at science as if it 'believes' things. Science 'knows' things, and if they are wrong then they change it. Belief does not come into it.

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While some people read and believe Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens or Daniel Dennett. Others read the bible.
I am ok with that.

Me too.

elkpark · Apr 11, 2014

GrumpyRN said:
But elsewhere in this thread we have someone saying the bible is the inerrant word of god. Can't have it both ways.

Are you intentionally being argumentative? Again, yes, you not only can "have it both ways," you can "have it" many ways. There are many possible interpretations of scripture, no one more valid or correct than any other (other than in the mind of a particular individual; most people believe that their view is the "right" one), since no one really knows "the" answer. As it is fun to point out to fundamentalists, even the individuals who do claim that every word of the Bible must be interpreted literally and followed as God's law don't follow most of the instructions about daily life and personal behavior in the Bible. And, yes, it's fun, in a cheap, cheesy way, to nitpick with them about that, just as you are trying to do here.

We all get it, you're an atheist, good for you. That doesn't give you any special insight into interpretation of scripture, and certainly doesn't entitle you to decide how or what others should believe about it. Everyone else is just entitled to her/his own opinions and beliefs about this as you are.

GrumpyRN, NP · Apr 11, 2014

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Are you intentionally being argumentative?

Of course I am. :cheeky:

However, I am not out to hurt anyone, I merely enjoy the back and forth of debate, and you are correct, I am nitpicking a bit. (But the devil lies in the detail).

I am absolutely and completely convinced that there is no god, as I'm sure you are as absolutely and completely convinced there is. Does not make either of us a bad person.

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.....and certainly doesn't entitle you to decide how or what others should believe about it. Everyone else is just entitled to her/his own opinions and beliefs about this as you are.

Absolutely correct, I did in fact write something similar to this but unfortunately the post seems to have gone missing in the ether.

I am not apologising for being atheist and will continue to put in my tuppence (two cents) worth whenever I feel it is warranted. Who knows, maybe someone will read some of the books I advocate and become an unbeliever. ?

AspiringToRN2 said:
Whether one believes in evolution or Creation, Nursing care should be provided with respect to all people.

This is what I believe to be true.

xoemmylouox said:
Threads like this NEVER go well. It should probably be ended before it gets out of control.

I think I agree with this.

dt70 · Apr 13, 2014

The big bang theory states that the whole universe came out of nothing just popped into existence out of sheer nothingness?

Where have I heard that before ?

no “miracle” or supernatural force is required to make “empty” space-time erupt into a Big Bang? Where did “empty” space-time come from? Where did the thing that created "empty" space-time come from?

I'm a person who is a believer of religion and science. The more I learn about human physiology, the less I believe in evolution and more of intelligent design, except for witnessing one miracle, unless that was caused by left over matter by the big bang.

I think both creationism and intelligent design have better supporting arguments than evolution.

Einstein's two key points of his theory of relativity were proven 3 years ago, and that the universe does have a beginning. But that just supports all three theories. Then again in the early 90's the Hubble telescope proved that the universe can create matter, but that turned out to be wrong because it was just picking up evidence of the then theoretical "dark matter".

BrandonLPN, LPN · Apr 13, 2014

dt70 said:
The big bang theory states that the whole universe came out of nothing just popped into existence out of sheer nothingness?
Where have I heard that before ?
no “miracle” or supernatural force is required to make “empty” space-time erupt into a Big Bang? Where did “empty” space-time come from? Where did the thing that created "empty" space-time come from?
I'm a person who is a believer of religion and science. The more I learn about human physiology, the less I believe in evolution and more of intelligent design, except for witnessing one miracle, unless that was caused by left over matter by the big bang.
I think both creationism and intelligent design have better supporting arguments than evolution.
Einstein's two key points of his theory of relativity were proven 3 years ago, and that the universe does have a beginning. But that just supports all three theories. Then again in the early 90's the Hubble telescope proved that the universe can create matter, but that turned out to be wrong because it was just picking up evidence of the then theoretical "dark matter".

Why would believing in intelligent design prevent one from accepting the fact of life evoloving from previous life?

dt70 · Apr 13, 2014

BrandonLPN said:
Why would believing in intelligent design prevent one from accepting the fact of life evoloving from previous life?

It doesn't.

What does evolution and nursing have to do with each other?

Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN · Apr 13, 2014

GrumpyRN said:
Actually it doesn't. Galatians 3:28 says we are all one in Christ. That means atheists, Muslims, Zoroastrians, in fact everyone who isn't Christian are on the outside and therefore not equal.

Actually you are right it was the constitution...

There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28

ixchel · Apr 13, 2014

The Smithsonian has a beautiful display up (well, as of last summer they did) discussing evolution. I always was curious to learn the explanation of how the first living cell came to be. I've always been on the side of evolution, even during that Christian phase I went through in high school (I don't say that to be rude - genuinely, I had a year when I was a complete Jesus freak and then I realized it just wasn't right for me). The one thing, though, was that I never did understand how that first cell came to be, and I craved that knowledge but didn't understand science quite enough to grasp the concept. Flash forward to last summer, 3 years in on my degree and after multiple science courses. I couldn't get enough of their evolution display at the Smithsonian.

I think it is so beautifully simple. As atoms joined to make molecules, our atmosphere and the sun pushed these molecules to eventually join each other to create chains. Eventually these chains became complex enough to be proteins and sugars. Then those proteins and sugars became nucleic acids. At that point, the sun and atmosphere didn't have to drive these molecules to be made. They made themselves, and gradually became even more complex. Evolution meant that the chains that survived the atmospheric changes started to replicate themselves and protect themselves with more complex structures, so that the first cells would be built.

So perfect. I'm dazzled by it. Absolutely in awe by the simplicity of the explanation, and yet for it to happen, it's not simple at all, is it? That took so incredibly long to happen. Now we have this perfect ecosystem in which we are interdependent. Oxygen, water, sugars, bacteria, proteins... Because it all developed together, it is all needed to survive, grow, and evolve further. The thing that bothers me is that because humans have evolved to the point that now we modify our environment to suit our comforts and needs, we have halted our own evolution. What does this mean for the long-term survivability of our species, as our planet continues to evolve and we don't? I don't know, but I hope we figure it out.

GrumpyRN, I've agreed with much of what you have posted. The only thing I disagree with is the ability to interpret the bible as one feels right. We've had centuries to socially evolve past slavery, genocide, and women being lesser than men. The book was written at a time when these things were acceptable, and because of that, some things need to be put into their historical context (and, frankly, left back in history where they belong). I think this is fairly important overall, because if the ideas of oppression that do exist in the bible don't get put aside, the oppression will continue.

elkpark · Apr 13, 2014

Esme12 said:
Actually you are right it was the constitution...
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28

It's not the US Constitution, it's the Declaration of Independence.

elkpark · Apr 13, 2014

GrumpyRN said:
I am absolutely and completely convinced that there is no god, as I'm sure you are as absolutely and completely convinced there is.

My personal views are irrelevant, not to mention none of your business, but, just for the (cheap, cheesy) pleasure of demonstrating you're wrong, I'll volunteer that your presumption is incorrect and I am not a Christian.