do you ever just wanna yell..."Would you SHUT UP already???"

obicurn · Sep 5, 2008

As an older student...I have noticed that the "will you just shut up" looks usually come from the younger students.
The beauty of being an older student...is we don't really care if the question we ask is "acceptable" to the rest of the class or not...if we need it answered, well ask it. If I have 1, 5, or 20 for that class period.
I actually missed a test question on a procedure I saw a physician do incorrectly....and assumed it was done correctly...the situation popped up on a test and I missed it. It was a lesson learned...what you see isn't always how it's supposed to be done.
Sometimes everyone that has/used to work at a facility have a very difficult time grasping certain concepts b/c you get conflicted on the "NCLEX" hospital versus what you do every day.
I know that the LPN students in our class, struggle with this every exam. They always say that the tests would be easier if they were taking it with a fresh perspective.
Other student's questions also help me a lot. Yes, sometimes I think they are silly---but they aren't silly to the student who is asking them.
I think everyone needs to develop a tolerance and patience for their classmates and I think students who make others feel bad about topics they bring up/questions they ask (and yes, we hear the "groans" and exaggerated breathing when we start talking...don't think we can't hear it)...are immature.
I have noticed this at my school: So far only the quiet ones have flunked out. All of us "question" folks are not only passing, but we also have the better grades in the class.
That isn't by accident.

Don't get me wrong.....I'll ask questions also if I need clarification on something. What gets me is the non-stop story tellers that go waaaaayyyyy off topic (constantly) and will actually sit and argue with the instructor about something because "Well, so and so told me it's this, so you must be wrong even though you hold the degree and actually teach this stuff!"

I have no qualms about someone seeking clarification of a topic because chances are, they are not the only one with a question. It's the 'others' that drive me insane.

msfb · Sep 5, 2008

As an older student...I have noticed that the "will you just shut up" looks usually come from the younger students.
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I have noticed this at my school: So far only the quiet ones have flunked out. All of us "question" folks are not only passing, but we also have the better grades in the class.
That isn't by accident.

hopefull- its not about asking questions. I ask questions. But not to the point of distraction where we can't get thru the material in the alotted time. It's the 1 or 2 students who monopolize the entire lecture with their own personal saga. I don't pay $600/credit to listen to a fellow student who like, oh my god, like before i got married, I was pre med but then I had kids and now its 15 yrs later but i still know everything flap her yap for 2 hours. I pay that amount to listen to a nurse with 20+ yrs of trauma experience, who has her doctorate and just founded a masters program in nursing, teach the course.

If Ms.FlapHerYap asked questions of value, I would be grateful. But she does not. She asks stupid questions and tells pointless stories. And then repeats them to her neighbors and then continues to have side conversations.

Tonite was quieter. She didnt come to class. We only had the other slightly less of a big mouth to deal with. :yeah:

spencerma2 · Sep 5, 2008

Those who constantly as questions that are not directly related to the subject are basically rude and uneducated. They interfere with the learning of others and make learning frustrating to others in the class. However, a well stated question related to the subject can be helpful to all the students, especially those too shy to ask.

It seems a good idea for the instructor to get those who ask 'too many' to simply write them down for after class.

I would like to hear more about the reference to nurses being rude and having ganglike behavior. There is a saying: nurses eat their young. Many places actually do have 'cliques' that act more like high school girls than educated and trained professionals. It has greatly added to the current shortage of nurses.

Why tolerate professional abuse when there are other ways to earn a living???

picurn10 · Sep 5, 2008

As an older student...I have noticed that the "will you just shut up" looks usually come from the younger students.
The beauty of being an older student...is we don't really care if the question we ask is "acceptable" to the rest of the class or not...if we need it answered, well ask it. If I have 1, 5, or 20 for that class period.
I actually missed a test question on a procedure I saw a physician do incorrectly....and assumed it was done correctly...the situation popped up on a test and I missed it. It was a lesson learned...what you see isn't always how it's supposed to be done.
Sometimes everyone that has/used to work at a facility have a very difficult time grasping certain concepts b/c you get conflicted on the "NCLEX" hospital versus what you do every day.
I know that the LPN students in our class, struggle with this every exam. They always say that the tests would be easier if they were taking it with a fresh perspective.
Other student's questions also help me a lot. Yes, sometimes I think they are silly---but they aren't silly to the student who is asking them.
I think everyone needs to develop a tolerance and patience for their classmates and I think students who make others feel bad about topics they bring up/questions they ask (and yes, we hear the "groans" and exaggerated breathing when we start talking...don't think we can't hear it)...are immature.
I have noticed this at my school: So far only the quiet ones have flunked out. All of us "question" folks are not only passing, but we also have the better grades in the class.
That isn't by accident.

I think you're missing the point of this vent: we're NOT talking about people who ask questions related to the topic and need clarification on subjects. I don't mind at all if someone is asking multiple questions on topic. What the majority of posters are talking about are people who aren't even really asking questions, but are just talking for the sake of talking. It takes away for the lecture, distracts the instructor, and disrupts the flow of learning. That makes me so angry :banghead: If someone feels the need to talk about their granny's health, or their husband's pt. or whatever, go out for coffee with a fellow student! Don't take away from my time, my chance to learn, so you can hear yourself talk! :down:

I took a few years off between my bachelor's and NS, and I know I was rusty after just a short time, so I have tons of sympathy for those who've been out of the education setting for a long time, it's tough to get back into the swing of things. It's just that I'm paying hard earned money to be taught nursing, by a nursing instructor, not to listen to my classmate :banghead:

ADPIE10 · Sep 5, 2008

I guess there's always gotta be one in every class, you know they type that can't resist saying..."well I work at such-n-such place and we do it this way...." ON EVERY TOPIC!!! or ask 20 questions where all the answers from the teacher are "yes" because it's some elementary ? that they are just asking to let everyone know they already know something. Im gonna start bringing water balloons to class and throwing 'em at people who can't SHUT UP!!! :chuckle
oh and btw....can y'all quit tappin and clickin your pens!!!!! :angthts:
feel free to add your frustrations, and what should be done with these people!

Yeah, I know exactly how you feel :banghead: BUT no matter how many times I yell at the mirror... it never changes!

I would if I could, but I can't. I think that balloons might be fun and would definitely alleviate my boredom :yeah: .

I always wonder why people won't answer the questions so that the discussion could progress and we could get to closure.

Did you ever suspect that your frustration is the result of observing poor facilitation skills? Somebody should definitely be keeping the discussion moving...

Good luck and please be patient with us. Try having agreed upon "let's move on signals" with the incessant talkers. I'm as embarassed as anyone else when I discover that my comments aren't adding value. If I knew the way you felt, I'd be more inclined to shut up. :nurse: Most of all, I'm more willing to accept your input if I think that you care. If you simply dislike me, I'm more likely to rationalize my hurt feelings and ignore yours.

If we can't find value in each other, then how can we serve the patient?

ambil · Sep 5, 2008

I didn't read all of what's here but I get the main idea. Someone wrote about "unfolding personalities" and I kinna like the sound and jest of that. People "reveal" themselves for different reasons. Many people go on and on about their own personal experiences because they simply need the attention from others. They are so involved with what they need that they don't even notice that their behavior is annoying others. Others vent their smarts to show off, this is also a type of craving for attention, unfortunalty at the expense of others. I've been a nurse for 20 years and have experienced my share of unfolding personalities, wow! :uhoh21: And these students are young and middle aged. I know within the first five minutes what type of personality I need to stick it out with for the next weeks and months. For the most part I enjoy the normal questions that come with the profession. For the other part I find the arrogance and the "I know it all" attitudes to be a real challenge. I've learned how to deal with them all, and pretty darn good if I do say so myself. When a student is annoying, for whatever reason, I talk to him or her about it in a professional way. ( I work in Germany and at the end of the semester we have an evaluation...or earlier if necessary!) Sometimes the truth hurts, but one can reveal an irritating habit in a kind and gentle manner, without being insulting at the same time. Yes, people can be so annoying can't they? ................But that's just the way it is in the world. No matter where we live, where we work, or what we are doing. My point is, "personalities" like these will be found everywhere, and not just in nursing school. Soooooo, before we say what we would like to say, like shut the **** up, try to help them recognize how they are affecting the group. It can be done!! Sorry if this is too long.....:typing

obicurn · Sep 5, 2008

I didn't read all of what's here but I get the main idea. Someone wrote about "unfolding personalities" and I kinna like the sound and jest of that. People "reveal" themselves for different reasons. Many people go on and on about their own personal experiences because they simply need the attention from others. They are so involved with what they need that they don't even notice that their behavior is annoying others. Others vent their smarts to show off, this is also a type of craving for attention, unfortunalty at the expense of others. I've been a nurse for 20 years and have experienced my share of unfolding personalities, wow! :uhoh21: And these students are young and middle aged. I know within the first five minutes what type of personality I need to stick it out with for the next weeks and months. For the most part I enjoy the normal questions that come with the profession. For the other part I find the arrogance and the "I know it all" attitudes to be a real challenge. I've learned how to deal with them all, and pretty darn good if I do say so myself. When a student is annoying, for whatever reason, I talk to him or her about it in a professional way. ( I work in Germany and at the end of the semester we have an evaluation...or earlier if necessary!) Sometimes the truth hurts, but one can reveal an irritating habit in a kind and gentle manner, without being insulting at the same time. Yes, people can be so annoying can't they? ................But that's just the way it is in the world. No matter where we live, where we work, or what we are doing. My point is, "personalities" like these will be found everywhere, and not just in nursing school. Soooooo, before we say what we would like to say, like shut the **** up, try to help them recognize how they are affecting the group. It can be done!! Sorry if this is too long.....:typing

Excellent post!

Question....this is something I really struggle with. How would you approach someone with this conversation without hurting their feelings? I know most people that do these things probably aren't aware. I know I would want someone to tell me if I was being obnoxious, but it would still hurt my feelings. I worry if I say something, all it would do would be embarrass someone and I don't want to be -that- person either. So I complain about my annoyance somewhere other than the classroom.

ambil · Sep 5, 2008

Excellent post!
Question....this is something I really struggle with. How would you approach someone with this conversation without hurting their feelings? I know most people that do these things probably aren't aware. I know I would want someone to tell me if I was being obnoxious, but it would still hurt my feelings. I worry if I say something, all it would do would be embarrass someone and I don't want to be -that- person either. So I complain about my annoyance somewhere other than the classroom.

O.K. I can use my best last example which occured just three weeks ago. I was working side by side with a young student nurse(2nd year) and I was putting together an infusion at a patients house. I work in home care. She kept on talking about how nurse so and so does it this way and that way, really getting on my nerves!! I said to her, "I know that you mean it well, but it really annoys me when you compare me all the time with other nurses. Lucky you, your're young, ha, but you haven't had the chance to see that nurses all have their own style. It's perfectly normal that we all work "a little bit" different. I don't mean to sound so mean right now, but I can't work well when you compare me with nurse so and so..." Maybe it did hurt her feelings a little bit, but I think I did it with respect. She really had no idea that she was annoying me with her behavior. There is more to nursing than just learning nursing skills. Many people simply need to learn how to interact with human beings in a respectful way. Say what is needed and somehow attatch a compliment to it. I know it's not always easy! Constructive criticism is hard at first, but it gets easier with time and patience.

PEBBLES1 · Sep 5, 2008

The shock collar is a good one

rnmomtobe2010 · Sep 5, 2008

The instructor that I have happens to be the one who never, EVER stops talking...I keep a migraine...

obicurn · Sep 5, 2008

The instructor that I have happens to be the one who never, EVER stops talking...I keep a migraine...

We have one that tends to go off on tangents, but I really like her. Her stories are a nice break from the heavy book work, and she tells a good story. LOL

WhitePillow · Sep 5, 2008

O.K. I can use my best last example which occured just three weeks ago. I was working side by side with a young student nurse(2nd year) and I was putting together an infusion at a patients house. I work in home care. She kept on talking about how nurse so and so does it this way and that way, really getting on my nerves!! I said to her, "I know that you mean it well, but it really annoys me when you compare me all the time with other nurses. Lucky you, your're young, ha, but you haven't had the chance to see that nurses all have their own style. It's perfectly normal that we all work "a little bit" different. I don't mean to sound so mean right now, but I can't work well when you compare me with nurse so and so..." Maybe it did hurt her feelings a little bit, but I think I did it with respect. She really had no idea that she was annoying me with her behavior. There is more to nursing than just learning nursing skills. Many people simply need to learn how to interact with human beings in a respectful way. Say what is needed and somehow attatch a compliment to it. I know it's not always easy! Constructive criticism is hard at first, but it gets easier with time and patience.

No offense, but I would never tell anyone they were "annoying" me. If someone told me that I would tell them the fact they put it that way annoyed me! And who wins? Nobody. It's okay to feel the way you do and express it on these boards but when you start pushing your feelings off on someone else, it just makes everyone feel bad. It's the same with the sighs and the looks in class. You shouldn't bring everyone else down because you are feeling a certain way. It's a little selfish, don't you think? No one should have to "act" the way you want them to and most people will NOT act the way you want them to. It's part of professionalism to deal with different people and different ways people do things. Is it always pleasant? No. Is it really up to you to want to change the way a person behaves? No. Just my two cents. :wink2: