Ethics Violation-Would you remain silent or challenge the system?

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Today I was labeled a "whistleblower and tattletail because I, along with numerous other students, witnessed a table of individuals cheating on an exam in our Anatomy and Physiology class which is a major pre-req into entrance into the nursing program. One of the individuals completed the exam and recieved it back, and took the test back to the table where she distributed all the correct answers to them, in which they in turn proceeded to change all their previous answers. In absolute boldness, one of the girls said quite loudly, "what is the answer to the last one?", and the first individual read off the answers to her. The proffessor does not proctor the exams. He simply hands them out and grades them as soon as you complete them, and then hands them back with the right answers corrected in. He does not wait until each student has completed the exam to pass out the results. Nor does he cruise the classroom to make sure that everyone is done before begining a new lecture. I felt that this was a major loophole that obviously a table of students had taken advantage of. In his syllabus he states that SUSPICION of cheating will result in failure of the exams.

Because at least 15 other students witnessed the cheating as well, we held a brief meeting about the issue and I told them I would address the professor since I was sitting next to the students and saw the entire situation. After class myself and another student asked to speak to the professor in confidentiality. The accussed students had caught wind earlier that they were going to be outted and had actually stuck around in the classroom to see who the individuals were. After they left, I told the proffessor what I and the other students had witnessed. He shrugged his shoulders nonchalantly and told me there was nothing he could do since he didn't see it happening and that next time I would have to tell him while it is happening. He also stated "and if they cheated on the last exam it didn't help them much because they made a 55". They recieved a 98 (which is an A) on today's test that they cheated on. The proffessor regarded me with an "I could careless" attitude and proceeded to pack his things. He did not ask me any questions about who else was involved, raised no concern that he is passing CHEATING students with an A into a highly competitive medical program who are in direct violation of the Colleges Code of Ethics. As I left with the other student, we noticed that the accused were actually waiting on us to leave and procceeded to follow us and threaten us for telling on them. They cautioned that I had better mind my own business and continued with verbal harrassment to the point I had to use profanity to stop them from FOLLOWING ME TO MY CAR. This incident has been brought to the proffessors attention by more than one occasion and he has not taken any steps in changing the testing process.

There is going to be a pending investigation involving the students and the facult member who is now KNOWINGLY aiding them in their attempts to fraud the system. Nursing is a limited access program and is based solely on a point based system. Only sixty of 250 students are admitted each fall and to think that a group of UNQUALIFIED individuals are cheating their way to an open slot is a dissapointment to the College's Mission Statement. We do NOT NEED THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH! These are not leaders, these are not nurses. How would you feel if the doctor who was about to diagnose you had cheated is way through medical school? We have got to crack down on academic dishonesty and stop allowing it to continue because it's easy to turn the other cheek. How would you feel if you sacrificed work and family to dedicate yourself into getting into the nursing program, only to find out that there weren't enough slots, and the people who got in CHEATED their way in.

I am sorry for the detail but it is the only way to explain the severity of the situation. As professionals in the field who have worked very hard to get where you are, what would you have done?

Oh I forgot- ALL my utilities are on shutoff. I have no $$ for christmas, and I now have over 40 grand worth of med bills from last couple of months. i can't even afford to drive to see my daughter in college 2.5 hrs away!

Still not cheating!

I don't think anyone is on a high horse here. I think we just live by different standards than you.

I read a post of yours Reebok which you were asking which professors were to be avoided and seems like maybe you look for an easy way out a lot of times.

Also, you blame sally's cheating consequences on someone else- where is the accountability in that? She knew the consequence just like the speeder that got a ticket. A friend always told me never do anything unless you are willing to face the music and do the time for the crime. This seems to be the part you are not understanding.

I am glad to see most everyone on here has integrity.

Cheaters never win and winners never cheat!

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
I know someone out there still disagrees with me. So here goes my last attempt to try to get you all to understand. Let's think of a possible real life situation.

For ex: Sally, an only child, has just experience the 1rst death in her family. Sally lost her only parent who was her father. She remembers her father being extremely proud of her for going back to College. She's going through the grieving process as well as experiencing financial problems. Sally has 3 kids and the kids' father doesn't help to support them. Two of three kids she have are experiencing trouble at school academically. The reason why she didn't study was b/c she was busy helping them with their homework. Although Sally is currently working full-time to meet ends-meet, she has recently received threat of an eviction and 3 red letters saying some utility will get cut off or car repossessed. She cheated but after she got the answers she went back over the test to understand the material. She cant justify the cheating but right now shes at a time in her life when she could loose everything. She could loose her car, house, fuure, kids and mind.

Let's say the cheaters were expelled b/c you reported that incident. She was expelled and lost her Faith. Was it worth that woman's children quality of life. Was it worth her living the rest of her life struggling to take care of herself.

Prioritize: Is reporting the cheaters for a pre-req test that important?

I doubt Father would encourage cheating.

And the part i just underlined, :uhoh3: .

For all the self-proclaimed nerds: I noticed no one admitted to never falsifying documents, making a med error or covering up a mistake their whole nursing career. Can anyone of you confess that underoath? Im talking to the well seasoned nurses so newbies dont bother responding.

The truth of the matter is that you can't be that judgemental. So you all can just get off that high horse of yours. I live in the real world. No blood, no foul.

And as far as

How is making a med error comparable to cheating? A med error can occur for a number of reasons: unable to read MD's handwriting, putting wrong info in computer, pharmacy mistake, etc.

Falsifying documents and covering up mistakes is intentional. Meaning you know exactly what you are doing when you are doing it. If you made a mistake you should come forward. Society is more willing to forgive those who admit to their mistakes then those who intentionally cover them up. Cheating is not a mistake. You don't accidentally glance over to the person next to you and accidentally scan your eyes accidentally to number 12 to accidentally see the answer.

And yeah, I will testify under oath that I have never cheated or falsified documents. And I'll take a lie detector test to boot.

Bravo on having the courage and integrity to take the ethical course.

I do have to laugh about one thing. When I took last spring, our shortest exam was about 300 questions, and there was no way our prof was going to grade them "while u wait."

Specializes in Utilization Management.

I would only like to add that yes, you will use the information in your pre-reqs in your nursing career. Yes, pre-reqs ARE that important.

So please do us all a favor and KNOW YOUR STUFF.

Specializes in Med/Surge, Psych, LTC, Home Health.
Could it be that the purpose of you reporting the cheating was b/c there is a limited amount of space for acceptance into the nursing school and you wanted to increase the odds of you entering by expelling others. :devil:

Human Anatomy&physiology is a pre-requisite course. I would be sympathetic about your situation if the severity of them cheating could eventually cause harm to the college's reputation and future risk for patient problems. For ex: Cheating in an actual NURSING COURSE w/ a clinical is much more important. Dont waste your time worrying about others. As long as you make sure that you are doing the right thing you will be okay. If the professor doesn't care why should you.

Im not saying that cheating is okay. But I will say that reporting them makes you no better.:saint: Ask these questions first.

Prioritize: Is someone's life at stake? Will they eventually harm a patient?

Could the college's reputation suffer from this?

You have GOT to be kidding me.

Well, SOMEONE always has to play devil's advocate in every thread.

Specializes in Med/Surge, Psych, LTC, Home Health.
I know someone out there still disagrees with me. So here goes my last attempt to try to get you all to understand. Let's think of a possible real life situation.

For ex: Sally, an only child, has just experience the 1rst death in her family. Sally lost her only parent who was her father. She remembers her father being extremely proud of her for going back to College. She's going through the grieving process as well as experiencing financial problems. Sally has 3 kids and the kids' father doesn't help to support them. Two of three kids she have are experiencing trouble at school academically. The reason why she didn't study was b/c she was busy helping them with their homework. Although Sally is currently working full-time to meet ends-meet, she has recently received threat of an eviction and 3 red letters saying some utility will get cut off or car repossessed. She cheated but after she got the answers she went back over the test to understand the material. She cant justify the cheating but right now shes at a time in her life when she could loose everything. She could loose her car, house, fuure, kids and mind.

Let's say the cheaters were expelled b/c you reported that incident. She was expelled and lost her Faith. Was it worth that woman's children quality of life. Was it worth her living the rest of her life struggling to take care of herself.

Prioritize: Is reporting the cheaters for a pre-req test that important?

You know, that's actually an interesting point of view. And I would be hard pressed not to feel rather badly for that woman and her situation, really.

But rules are rules, dude. Furthermore... again, I'm sorry about her life situation... but furthermore, if she's going to try to make her life easier for herself and her children by not flunking out of nursing school by way of cheating in order to pass an exam...

Who is to say that, once she is hired as a nurse... she won't cheat in order to not lose her job???? Who's to say that she won't cover up major mistakes in order to not get fired?

I'm not trying to be judgemental here... I am truly sorry for anyone in that type of situation... but it's still a flawed argument. That woman could choose not to cheat on ONE exam that she didn't have time to study for, receive a failing grade, and then she could choose to approach her professor, explain her home situation, and attempt to see what kinds of solutions could be reached to make it easier for her to get through and pass the class.

Specializes in ICU, ER, HH, NICU, now FNP.

It's pretty simple to explain reeboks point of view -

A person who doesn't take responsibility for his or her own actions (in HIS mind) doesn't have to take the blame either. Everybody else can take the blame. "It's the professors fault I failed" "It's my ex husband's fault I hate men" "It's the judge's fault I got thrown in jail" "It's my bosses fault I got fired".

Responsibility does not equal blame - it equals power. When you have the ability to respond to something or a situation and YOU (and ONLY YOU) choose your actions and your response, then YOU are the one who determines the outcome. You choose to cheat, you get booted from school; You choose to kill, you get put in jail (and in some states put to death); You choose to Follow the rules and play along with everyone else then you get what you want. The prisons are full of people who A) refuse to take responsibility for their actions and B) blame everyone else for what and where they are. Go figure.

A person who can't make the connection between personal responsibility, actions and culpability shouldn't be in nursing.

"You could look at it in a different way. That cheater may be more likely to double, triple check when administering meds or often seek help from other nurses to avoid certain mistakes. "

The reason students cheat is usually because they are trying to get the benefit without the work.......grades without studying, or in other words, shortcutting.

It strains credibility, to say the least, to believe these same folks are going to have a Road-To-Damascus experience and suddenly become the most by-the-book, take-the-extra-effort practitioners out there.

Having gotten away with cheating, indeed advanced by it, due in part to the attitudes rebok portrays here, the overwhelming tendency for the cheaters would be to keep it up.....after all, they've been rewarded for it.

Why coulldn't the instructor grade the tests while he proctored the exam? Why didn't he want to hear about the cheating and address it? I think the only conclusion you can draw is that he wants students to cheat. He is a poor and lazy instructor who does not want to lose his job when all or most of his students fail.

Given this scenario, I'm not so sure the students are behaving unethically -- or it is at least a gray area. The instructor is setting the rules and being intentionally ambivalent about the expectations. We've all been in work and other situations where they have an official policy and anoher unwritten one (for reasonable or unethical reasons).

I don't think I would have cheated even under these circumstances but I have done similar things. For instance, we had a dosage calculation test at one facility that the clinical instructor chose to have us all do together, giving us the correct answers. Did I tell her this was unethical and that I wanted to do the test on my own and live with the consequences of failing. No. It's her class, not mine.

The A&P instructor is the bad guy here. The students are just following his lead. He is the one who should be confronted and reported and disciplined.

Specializes in Utilization Management.

The A&P instructor is the bad guy here. The students are just following his lead. He is the one who should be confronted and reported and disciplined.

The instructor is the bad guy? As in, he made students cheat? If that's the case, why did his inaction make the non-cheating students refrain from cheating?

Ergo, the students who cheated are wrong. The instructor who neglected to properly monitor and grade the test is also wrong.

Both the students who cheated and the instructor are the bad guys. Neither of them followed the rules.

The instructor is the bad guy? As in, he made students cheat? If that's the case, why did his inaction make the non-cheating students refrain from cheating?

Ergo, the students who cheated are wrong. The instructor who neglected to properly monitor and grade the test is also wrong.

Both the students who cheated and the instructor are the bad guys. Neither of them followed the rules.

I'm mostly playing devil's advocate here. I think the students are probably more wrong than right. If there was confusion, they could have asked. "Can we discuss our answers with each other?" Which is what I probably would have done to make things crystal clear wot everyone. But I also think that the instructor is creating a situation where some might get the impression that he is giving his tacit approval to sharing answers. That he's saying "no cheating" with a wink.

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