Ethel Bauer School of Nursing Phoenix

broadway lamb · Aug 11, 2007

My understanding is that you are not in the program? Apollo's program is 36 thousand, not 26 like ethel bauer. The school is known to have a great reputation and is not that bad. The instructors are wonderful, the director is making new changes and yah, the school may not be in the greatest of areas, although it is a great school. All the luck to you.

Yes, that's true that Apollo's program is more expensive, but they have lowered their tuition significantly. It also helps if you have your prerequisites finished before enrolling.

I wanted to enter EBSN's program, but after speaking to students who were in the first graduating class at the time, I decided not to enroll. If they have replaced the director of the program, I'm sure that would make a big difference in the morale of the students. It was my observation that this person was was a part of the problem.

Thank you for the well wishes...I have since decided to apply to one of the community college RN programs. I will save THOUSANDS of dollars, but it will take a bit longer.

Cheers!

BroadwayLamb :lol2:

experiencedrn · Aug 18, 2007

I can tell you from the view of an experienced RN of 18 years. The quality of RN's that is put out be the Ethel Bauer School is sub standard. I have had the oportunity to work with several students in the middle to end of thier program and the knowledge base is simply not thier. The skills can be learned over time, however the knowledge that is requried to learn the skills is just as important. Just becaseu it is a fast track program does not mean it is a good one. Please research other programs prior to spending the money and effort on this one. I can also tell you as an adjunct faculty member of a local college NONE of the credits are transferable at this time.

jamonit · Aug 18, 2007

I can tell you from the view of an experienced RN of 18 years. The quality of RN's that is put out be the Ethel Bauer School is sub standard. I have had the oportunity to work with several students in the middle to end of thier program and the knowledge base is simply not thier. The skills can be learned over time, however the knowledge that is requried to learn the skills is just as important. Just becaseu it is a fast track program does not mean it is a good one. Please research other programs prior to spending the money and effort on this one. I can also tell you as an adjunct faculty member of a local college NONE of the credits are transferable at this time.

As a graduate of EBSN's second class, I resent your sentiments. First of all, you are discounting the school based on really broad generalities. The "lack of knowledge" you claim to have seen in the clinical setting does not mean that all of the students from this school are morons. I graduated in Feb., passed my boards in March and worked in a PICU and now I am a telemetry nurse at Mayo. There were several students in the program with prior bachelor's degrees (even a man who was once a chiropractor). I, myself, graduated with straight A's, represented the school in Baltimore at the NSNA convention, and have a degree in psychology from ASU (where i graduated with a 3.89 gpa).

Yes--it is a new school and needs to have the kinks worked out, but I can tell you that my classmates (including my fiance, who works in the ICU at Mayo) have done very well since graduation. Also, I am going to be in the October BSN program via Grand Canyon University--an excellent school with a great reputation and will continue my eduation through to the MSN level to work as a NP in the field of cardiology.

They aren't turning out sub-par nurses, they have issues, as do all of the newer RN programs in the state--including Apollo, Pima Medical Institute, and many of the newer ADN and diploma nursing programs that are doing their best to help fill the demand for qualified nurses in the state.

I believe a Registered Nurse is a Registered Nurse once he or she has passed the NCLEX. As an educator, you should know that during the first year and beyond there is a need for all nurses to grow, both clinically as well as expanding their nursing knowledge base. There is a learning curve involved and your sort of closed minded thinking does not do new nurses much justice.

Although I would not recommend people to jump aboard the expensive private school chain, I think that if this sort of program works best for someone, then this could be a good choice for them. I hope in the future that you will think twice before making such harsh judgements, as each nurse has different strengths/weaknesses--regardless of which school the nurse has attended. As I've said before, what it comes down to is this: once a nurse passes his/her boards, he or she should be welcomed into this profession, as we are eager to do our best to meet the needs of the community and it's patients.

experiencedrn · Aug 19, 2007

Jamonit,

I am glad to here that you had a good expierance with your stent at the school in question and others that have too. I like you have several co-workers who are in agreeance with my statements. When 4 of the 5 students assigned to your unit for the day, have no clue as to what is happening or why then the issue is not the individual it is the school and the program. Yes as an instructor this gives me even more right to voice my concern as lack of quality is apparent and is a slap in the face to the nursing profession. As for other degrees, I am gald that you and several of your fellow classmates have other degrees. I am also pleased to hear that you intend to continue on in your education. However, the level of degree is not at issue here, once again it is the quality of the education and what is made of the quaily of the education recieved.

I will be finishing my Phd this spring and must say that the program you have choosen at GCU is a good one. I have two degrees through there and the educational content is top quality. I have no doubt you will learn what is needed to pursue your goal of NP.

Thank you

Mayaquice · Aug 20, 2007

This is a bit OT (off topic) here but reeeeeeally what school is GCU? so confued about this one.

experiencedrn · Aug 20, 2007

Grand Canyon University

nse2b · Aug 26, 2007

You do have to be a CNA, I spoke to the school today. According to the person I spoke with the school also has a 92% pass rate on the NCLEX, does anyone know if that is true?? Also, does anyone have any information on the child care center??
I have been accepted to PIMA, but childcare will end up being an issue for me, so I am seriously considering EBSN. I will admit I am a little leary, since reading some of the posts on this site.
Traci

i almost fell over and died when someone called me to tell me this quote was up on the internet. Let me explain something. RUN. RUN FAR AWAY FROM EBSN!!! Not only will you receive education that is sub-par, you will graduate not knowing if the education you DID receive will allow you to pass the NCLEX. THe pass rate for the NCLEX-RN went from 68% for the first class to 67% for the second class and is rumored to be near 50% for the third class (as AZBN has not posted the latest results we'll just have to see about that.)

To spend the money on the education there you'd be better off waiting for a community college. NO CLASSES TRANSFER. period. If the administration tells you they are close to NLN accredation they are not telling the truth. For NLN you have to retain staff and have an acceptable pass rate for NCLEX, neither of which they are close to.

Furthermore, our class was charged for services not rendered (we paid for a lab, never received it, and they deceived not only us the students, but the federal government and it is considered FRAUD because they received federal funds).

Leaving there on a daily basis made many of us sick. The place has structural difficulties (the toilets were overflowing) not to mention how the staff treats you!!! I believe the new X is an improvement, but even she can't get the materials available to her to help the students. THe place is nothing but a joke.

Banner will no longer be hiring EBSN students, they have had too many problems with them (call the HR department, they'll take other students over EBSN). For the rest of the people going to school there, they are AFRAID its going to close down any time. Would you like to start your education and not know if you'll ever finish it and NEVER recoup the money you have paid the school? RUN, RUN FAR FAR AWAY!!!

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Knorremeisje · Sep 15, 2007

It's interesting how negative some people are about EBSN, while others are so positive. We just had an RN pass her NCLEX after graduating from EBSN - she has nothing but good stuff to say about the school. Personally, I want to give it a try, you pay a lot of money, it's true. But you can take a student loan and have your employer help you pay that back once you graduate.

Also, by the time you have finished pre-req's and waited the average time to get into CC NS (2 semesters) you'd already be graduated from EBSN. I don't care if that means I have to take more pre-reqs for an RN-BSN program, at least I'll be making more than $10/hour (as a CNA) while studying. Which should make the whole situation a LOT easier! :)

I think that this fast program might be the problem with the passing percentage on the NCLEX. Too many people are not serious about a future nursing career and just want to get a degree as fast as possible. I think if you're really motivated, you'll learn more than you HAVE to and you WILL pass the NCLEX. Just my opinion, though.

Seven, RN2b · Oct 14, 2007

Does anyone know of which valley employers who cover tuition reimbursement for EBSN?

Thanks to all who read/reply!!

cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN · Oct 15, 2007

THe pass rate for the NCLEX-RN went from 68% for the first class to 67% for the second class and is rumored to be near 50% for the third class (as AZBN has not posted the latest results we'll just have to see about that.)

I hear students all the time complain about not being able to pass HESI and NCLEX. And it's always someone else's fault. They always say, "I got B's on all assignments, how am I failing HESI!!!???" Some will even attempt to band together and "sue" someone because they didn't pass.

Here's the thing. Everybody is responsible for researching their nursing schools. When you see NCLEX stats like the one quoted above, and you still enter the program, then it's not the school's fault or the teacher's fault that HESI or NCLEX wasn't passed. It was the student who proceeded to enter a sub-par program.

Interpreting facts and making assessments on that data is the first part of critical thinking that is so talked about in nursing school. A school who's best NCLEX pass rate recently is 68% is not a wise choice, IMO.

nse2b · Nov 19, 2007

Interpreting facts and making assessments on that data is the first part of critical thinking that is so talked about in nursing school. A school who's best NCLEX pass rate recently is 68% is not a wise choice, IMO.

the most recent pass rate on the AZBN is 41% for ethel bauer.