Dr. told patient, "Nurses are STUPID".

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I am not easily offended and l let things roll off my back. The P.A. was making rounds the other day and walked into one of my patients room. I heard the patient ask, "A nurse came into my room at 3a.m. and put something in my IV. I have no idea what it was." The P.A. came out of the room and asked me what it was. I told him I was not sure, but I would find out and let him know. I followed that up with, I'm sure it was important if it was 3a.m. He smiled and thanked me, and walked back into the patients room. I heard him say, "you know, Nurses are stupid. They think if they are awake at 3 a.m. then you should be too." It was probably a flush to make sure the IV is still working. Anyhow, I'll find out fore sure." My mouth hit the floor. At that very moment, I remembered in report the nurse tell me the pt had a Bigeminy rhythm and he was given IV Mag, which corrected it. I quickly walked into the patients room and explained to the pt and P.A. what was given and why. The P.A. responded with a great big smile on his face, "See, I knew we would find out!" I still get pissed every time I think about it. I am a very quiet, non-confrontational person, but let me tell you....I can spit out a sarcastic comment that will make your head spin when I feel the need. I am feeling the need!

I've heard nurses say horrible things about doctors to patients, as well.

From my experience,the housekeepers are the most well-liked staff, and for good reason.

donisbac,

Careful now. I am a nurse currently, and a former educator as well. I have to point out that your comment demonstrates very poor grammar and spelling, which often conveys the writer as being ignorant and uneducated. Notice I used the professional word for "stupid". You Sir, or Madam, have put the proverbial "foot in the mouth" and everyone who reads your post sees clearly that you are very lacking. Perhaps you need to find a smart nurse to interpret what I have just written.

This is very rude and condescending. Numerous nurses and students are from abroad, and are bilingual or multilingual. Learning a second language is quite a challenge, I have no idea if you have had the experience of learning more than just english, but I would suggest not insulting the linguistics of others. Let's all be cordial and not insult eachother, unlike the PA OP was talking about.

Specializes in cardiovaslular PCU, inpt rehab, HHC, ICU, PP.

Fair enough. However the original comment posted was rude and condescending in the first place. Using hasty generalizations, as the writer did in affirming that nurses are stupid is not appreciated. Bottom line: We all have room for improvement and we all have had negative experiences from others, but we must be careful not to make blanket statements that include all people from a group are stupid because of an unfavorable personal experience.

Furthermore, in spite of language difficulties, computer software has numerous tools to check someone's writing to make it correct for the language it is written in. A general rule of thumb is to take steps to ensure the text is as accurate as possible. These tools also aid in the mastery of another language. Another thought: if an individual wants to post rude and scathing comments, expect backlash.

Fair enough. However the original comment posted was rude and condescending in the first place. Using hasty generalizations, as the writer did in affirming that nurses are stupid is not appreciated. Bottom line: We all have room for improvement and we all have had negative experiences from others, but we must be careful not to make blanket statements that include all people from a group are stupid because of an unfavorable personal experience.

Furthermore, in spite of language difficulties, computer software has numerous tools to check someone's writing to make it correct for the language it is written in. A general rule of thumb is to take steps to ensure the text is as accurate as possible. These tools also aid in the mastery of another language. Another thought: if an individual wants to post rude and scathing comments, expect backlash.

If you had used the quote feature to respond to that poster, I think it would have been more clear why you were discussing his poor writing.

Specializes in cardiovaslular PCU, inpt rehab, HHC, ICU, PP.

Quote from Donisbac:

Yes, nurses are stupid. Why do you think they are always feel like a victims? because originally they think they are smart when they are not. I'm not saying that PA or MD are smart. Just stating the hidden and easily denied fun facts that nurses don't like admitting.

Okay, Horseshoe. Here it is.

Quote from Donisbac:

Yes, nurses are stupid. Why do you think they are always feel like a victims? because originally they think they are smart when they are not. I'm not saying that PA or MD are smart. Just stating the hidden and easily denied fun facts that nurses don't like admitting.

Okay, Horseshoe. Here it is.

You didn't use the quote feature. LOL. It's the little button RIGHT NEXT TO THE REPLY button. :)

A Physician Assistant is NOT a doctor. The PA curriculum is an undergraduate degree program -- all NP programs are graduate programs (Masters/PhD). This PA is full of ****. He is an assistant and his reaction towards you is coming from a place of insecurity... Perhaps a nurse broke his heart so now he's exceptionally bitter towards all nurses. Or, he was rejected from admissions into nursing school, so he feels especially spiteful. It's also possible he is jealous because he cannot function autonomously like, for example, say a Nurse Practitioner ;). I'm not knocking PA's but I know a couple of people who went that route as a back-up plan. When the PA program was introduced in my province, it was/still stands to be easier to get into than Nursing School. It's still not terribly competitive or popular... I've also never worked alongside a PA in any clinical setting, they're not utilized as much as other healthcare professionals (ex. such as LPN/RPN/RN/RN(EC)/NP, MD or allied health professions: SLP, RD, OT/PT).

These are the facts:

In Ontario, Registered Nurses in the Extended Class, also known as Nurse Practitioners (NPs), are registered nurses with post-baccalaureate education and clinical experience. Nurse practitioners have the legal authority to independently perform a number of authorized acts beyond those that registered nurses are permitted to perform, for example, ordering and interpreting diagnostic tests, communicating diagnoses, prescribing pharmaceuticals and performing specific procedures. NPs are required to practice within their legislated scope of practice. NPs work collaboratively with many other health professionals and they consult with physicians as required by the needs of their patients.

Thus NPs are independent practitioners working within their legislated scope of practice. In some cases NPs and PAs may undertake similar types of clinical activity, but the
PA is always working in a delegatory and supervised role
.

You psych RN's are too much! :saint:

Nurses are not stupid. We are sensitive and considerate which accounts for the hurt feelings when insensitive things are said about us.:angrybird9:

A Physician Assistant is NOT a doctor. The PA curriculum is an undergraduate degree program -- all NP programs are graduate programs (Masters/PhD). This PA is full of ****. He is an assistant and his reaction towards you is coming from a place of insecurity... Perhaps a nurse broke his heart so now he's exceptionally bitter towards all nurses. Or, he was rejected from admissions into nursing school, so he feels especially spiteful. It's also possible he is jealous because he cannot function autonomously like, for example, say a Nurse Practitioner ;). I'm not knocking PA's but I know a couple of people who went that route as a back-up plan. When the PA program was introduced in my province, it was/still stands to be easier to get into than Nursing School. It's still not terribly competitive or popular... I've also never worked alongside a PA in any clinical setting, they're not utilized as much as other healthcare professionals (ex. such as LPN/RPN/RN/RN(EC)/NP, MD or allied health professions: SLP, RD, OT/PT).

These are the facts:

In Ontario, Registered Nurses in the Extended Class, also known as Nurse Practitioners (NPs), are registered nurses with post-baccalaureate education and clinical experience. Nurse practitioners have the legal authority to independently perform a number of authorized acts beyond those that registered nurses are permitted to perform, for example, ordering and interpreting diagnostic tests, communicating diagnoses, prescribing pharmaceuticals and performing specific procedures. NPs are required to practice within their legislated scope of practice. NPs work collaboratively with many other health professionals and they consult with physicians as required by the needs of their patients.

Thus NPs are independent practitioners working within their legislated scope of practice. In some cases NPs and PAs may undertake similar types of clinical activity, but the
PA is always working in a delegatory and supervised role
.

My dear, I will defend NPs to the death, but your statements about PAs are completely false. Yes they do work under a physician, but the physician does not have to be with them. They also are able to do what an NP does, and in most cases can do it very well. PAs are trained with physicians and automatically receive the type of education which is lacking in the NP programs. I have worked with PAs and NPs and cannot see understand your statements. Maybe in Canada PAs are treated that way, but I don't believe that either. As far as the statements about similary types of clinical activity, PAs ccan do it all. If they are not being allowed to work at their full capacity, they may want to lobby for the right.

My dear, I will defend NPs to the death, but your statements about PAs are completely false. Yes they do work under a physician, but the physician does not have to be with them. They also are able to do what an NP does, and in most cases can do it very well. PAs are trained with physicians and automatically receive the type of education which is lacking in the NP programs. I have worked with PAs and NPs and cannot see understand your statements. Maybe in Canada PAs are treated that way, but I don't believe that either. As far as the statements about similary types of clinical activity, PAs ccan do it all. If they are not being allowed to work at their full capacity, they may want to lobby for the right.

My dear... my statement about PAs is directly referencing/quoted from a government website, and the rest from personal experience.

Ugh, why am I not surprised! Thank God not all HCPs are like that though.

My dear... my statement about PAs is directly referencing/quoted from a government website, and the rest from personal experience.

This site is for nurses all over the world. Your statements are not accurate for the U.S. which probably has more PAs than anywhere else in the world. PAs have very good training and in not on the same level as nurses and could give orders to nurses. Again, you may be coming from a different system.

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