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2 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's definitely futile when the oligarchs and kleptocrats control a substantial portion of the federal and state electoral processes.  Authoritarians, corrupt despots and Republicans don't believe in widespread and unencumbered voting by citizens.  They are certain that all Americans are as dismissive of laws as they are. 

If you believe there is a difference between the parties, you are not looking at the situation rationally. I’ll remind you that during the last election cycle we were offered a choice of two billionaires who have partied together in the hamptons and whose children were friends. 

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22 minutes ago, anewmanx said:

If you believe there is a difference between the parties, you are not looking at the situation rationally. I’ll remind you that during the last election cycle we were offered a choice of two billionaires who have partied together in the hamptons and whose children were friends. 

I agree 100%.

It is not the Republicans vs the Democrats. It is the elites vs the paupers, IMO. And in case anyone hasn't figured it out yet, we are the paupers.

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32 minutes ago, anewmanx said:

If you believe there is a difference between the parties, you are not looking at the situation rationally. I’ll remind you that during the last election cycle we were offered a choice of two billionaires who have partied together in the hamptons and whose children were friends. 

If you believe that the democratic and the republican parties represent the same values in governance, you are not looking at the platforms, politicians and legislation rationally. While we have a significant and dangerous problem with economic and social inequity in this society, suggesting that Trump and McConnell's GOP is fundamentally anything like today's DNC is simply a misrepresentation. The intent of that is to convince people that it's OK to continue voting for republicans because we think someone else might be just as bad...maybe....because someone keeps asserting that there's no difference, so it must be true. 

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They seem the same to me.  I would say Jill Stein and Ron Paul are the real liberals and conservatives the others vote the same. I was a Jill Stein supporter. The DNC hates me more than the GOP.   According to the DNC,  I’m a Russian agent and work with Trump.  

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3 minutes ago, Perplex said:

They seem the same to me.  I would say jill stein and ron paul are the real liberals and conservatives the others vote the same. I was a jill stein supporter. The dnc hates me more than the republicans.   According to the DNC,  I’m a russian agent and work with trump,  

While you are welcome to believe whatever you've been told, there is a reality which contradicts your belief.  

Libertarians are SUPPOSED to be social liberals and fiscal/economic conservatives. Rand Paul is funny.  Is Stein running again? Your believe that the DNC hates you, speaks to your beliefs and fears rather than to a general reality. Perhaps you have a personal, anecdotal experience, but that doesn't make it universally true.  Neither my first generation Russian immigrant daughter-in-law, nor her well educated and informed parents, share your fear or belief about the DNC vs the GOP. 

The evidence available in public policy, proclamation, or political personality contradicts your beliefs, IMHO.

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6 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

While you are welcome to believe whatever you've been told, there is a reality which contradicts your belief.  

Libertarians are SUPPOSED to be social liberals and fiscal/economic conservatives. Rand Paul is funny.  Is Stein running again? Your believe that the DNC hates you, speaks to your beliefs and fears rather than to a general reality. Perhaps you have a personal, anecdotal experience, but that doesn't make it universally true.  Neither my first generation Russian immigrant daughter-in-law, nor her well educated and informed parents, share your fear or belief about the DNC vs the GOP. 

The evidence available in public policy, proclamation, or political personality contradicts your beliefs, IMHO.

Unfortunately, this is not true. The DNC railroaded Bernie Sanders.  Jill Stein was accused of being a Trojan Horse.  I am a member of the Green Party and campaigned for her.  Remember, Hillary Clinton called nurses overpaid maids and minority kids Super Predators.  Rand Paul is not Ron Paul and unfortunately Jill Stein will never run again. 

It doesn't matter anyways, Donald Trump is going to win big.  Joe Biden's voting record and previous political stances hold a lot more weight than his rhetoric and unlike Bernie Sanders who let Biden slide, Trump won't.  

Regardless of my political view, I didn't vote for Trump or Obama, I support this country's president because this is my home.  Cheers!

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1 hour ago, Perplex said:

Unfortunately, this is not true. The DNC railroaded Bernie Sanders.  Jill Stein was accused of being a Trojan Horse.  I am a member of the Green Party and campaigned for her.  Remember, Hillary Clinton called nurses overpaid maids and minority kids Super Predators.  Rand Paul is not Ron Paul and unfortunately Jill Stein will never run again. 

It doesn't matter anyways, Donald Trump is going to win big.  Joe Biden's voting record and previous political stances hold a lot more weight than his rhetoric and unlike Bernie Sanders who let Biden slide, Trump won't.  

Regardless of my political view, I didn't vote for Trump or Obama, I support this country's president because this is my home.  Cheers!

This is my home and regardless of my libertarian political leanings, I'm not obligated to support a lying, corrupt and incompetent authoritarian who is dismantling our republic right before my eyes simply because he was elevated to a high political office. Your choice to do so is simply your choice. I won't equivocate my personal values or love of country to support Trump. There are better choices. 

https://www.citizensforethics.org/trump-removed-watchdog-investigating-elaine-chao-mcconnell-vetted-replacement/

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2 hours ago, anewmanx said:

If you believe there is a difference between the parties, you are not looking at the situation rationally. I’ll remind you that during the last election cycle we were offered a choice of two billionaires who have partied together in the hamptons and whose children were friends. 

We, the majority of RNs working in California, achieved a law requiring safe staffing in our state. First we had each state office holder assined a volunteer nurse to educate them and their staffs regarding safe staffing for acute care hospitals. We collected signature and got an initiative on the ballot. It didn't win, but did get people learning and talking about staffing. The first time our bill was up for a vote if didn't get out of committee.                                  Next we interviewed every candidate for state office who would meet with us. Then we supported those who said they supported state staffing ratios. Most were elected. The next time the bill won, but was vetoed by the governor. Then we had a team of nurses interview all candidates for governor. Just one said he would "probably" vote for our bill. We took a chance and achieved safe staffing. Now years later patients are more likely to survive because we have less "Failure To Rescue" deaths than other states. 

We did NOT take into account the party of the candidates in our decisions, however most of those who supported safe staffing ratios were Democrats, but many Democrats believed the hospital associations talking points. We did not work on their campaigns.. 

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20 minutes ago, herring_RN said:

We, the majority of RNs working in California, achieved a law requiring safe staffing in our state. First we had each state office holder assined a volunteer nurse to educate them and their staffs regarding safe staffing for acute care hospitals. We collected signature and got an initiative on the ballot. It didn't win, but did get people learning and talking about staffing. The first time our bill was up for a vote if didn't get out of committee.                                  Next we interviewed every candidate for state office who would meet with us. Then we supported those who said they supported state staffing ratios. Most were elected. The next time the bill won, but was vetoed by the governor. Then we had a team of nurses interview all candidates for governor. Just one said he would "probably" vote for our bill. We took a chance and achieved safe staffing. Now years later patients are more likely to survive because we have less "Failure To Rescue" deaths than other states. 

We did NOT take into account the party of the candidates in our decisions, however most of those who supported safe staffing ratios were Democrats, but many Democrats believed the hospital associations talking points. We did not work on their campaigns.. 

 

Isn’t it despicable you have to fight so hard for a law that should be common sense? The  wealthy get preferential private treatment and don’t care about the plebeians. 

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39 minutes ago, anewmanx said:

Isn’t it despicable you have to fight so hard for a law that should be common sense? The  wealthy get preferential private treatment and don’t care about the plebeians. 

Yes it is. Even after signing a bill requiring enforcement of the ratios the governor considered waiving the ratios in his preparation for hospitals response to Coronavirus. It didn't happen.

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Newsom broaches third rail for nurses, doctors in coronavirus surge response

03/30/2020 11:12 PM  Newsom’s order, issued Monday, calls for flexibility around California’s nurse-to-patient staffing law, a decades-old, hard-fought political gain by the powerful California Nurses Association that remains the only such mandate in the country...

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/03/30/newsom-broaches-third-rail-for-nurses-doctors-in-coronavirus-surge-response-1269664

 

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SB 227 Empowers CDPH to Enforce Nurse Staffing Ratio Requirements

Sunday, October 13, 2019 SACRAMENTO – Governor Gavin Newsom signed Senate Bill 227, a bill by Senator Connie M. Leyva (D-Chino) to protect patient safety and reinforce nurse staffing ratio requirements in California.

Specifically, SB 227 will require the California Department of Public Health (CDPH) to conduct unannounced visits to hospitals to inspect for compliance with nurse staffing ratio requirements.  The proposal empowers CDPH to enforce the nurse staffing ratios by fining hospitals that repeatedly create unsafe conditions for patient care...

https://sd20.senate.ca.gov/news/2019-10-13-leyva-bill-protecting-hospital-patients-signed-law

 

 

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1 hour ago, herring_RN said:

We, the majority of RNs working in California, achieved a law requiring safe staffing in our state. First we had each state office holder assined a volunteer nurse to educate them and their staffs regarding safe staffing for acute care hospitals. We collected signature and got an initiative on the ballot. It didn't win, but did get people learning and talking about staffing. The first time our bill was up for a vote if didn't get out of committee.                                  Next we interviewed every candidate for state office who would meet with us. Then we supported those who said they supported state staffing ratios. Most were elected. The next time the bill won, but was vetoed by the governor. Then we had a team of nurses interview all candidates for governor. Just one said he would "probably" vote for our bill. We took a chance and achieved safe staffing. Now years later patients are more likely to survive because we have less "Failure To Rescue" deaths than other states. 

We did NOT take into account the party of the candidates in our decisions, however most of those who supported safe staffing ratios were Democrats, but many Democrats believed the hospital associations talking points. We did not work on their campaigns.. 

 

And this my good lady is why the state compact should not apply to California and travel nurses should not be allowed to work in California unless their is a shortage of nurses.  I do not live in California, but... I respect the work that they did to achieve what they have; high pay and safe working standards.  People in other states who didn't bleed and sweat to make the changes in their state because they were either too scared or lacked the drive, do not deserve what California has.  You guys are awesome!

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5 hours ago, anewmanx said:

I am a plebeian. Our politicians are oligarchs. My greatest desires to critique or praise their actions will not change the insignificance of my position in societal hierarchy. 

critiquing their actions seems like an exercise in futility. 

Haha This gave me a great laugh, thank you.

 You must be a fan of Caesar then..

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