Doctors Don't Always Listen: Bridging the Communication Gap

“Justina”, an ICU nurse, received a 10 year old girl from the ED who had no significant medical history. However, in the past 4 days, this patient had frequent emesis and complaints of stomach pain, with no fever. You might think you know where this is going, but what was truly going on was catastrophic. After approaching the doctor more than 4 times in 30 minutes with grave concerns, the doctor yelled at Justina and stormed away. Justina then went over his head….to her charge nurse. Nurses General Nursing Article

"Emily" was in the nurse's office at her school when her mother was called. She had thrown up again. The nurse and the mother were both perplexed - the mom had taken her to the doctor three days in a row with no answers, no fever, and on again/off again stomach pains. At wits end, mom picked her up from school and brought her to the ED. In triage, the nurse heard "strange" heart sounds while doing her assessment, and notified the ED physician immediately. An EKG was done and she was having trigeminy rhythms. Emily was immediately transferred to the PICU for a cardiology consult.

Justina received report and brought the crash cart to her room while waiting for Emily to arrive from the ED. Everything was in place. When Emily arrived to the unit, she was sitting up and smiling. This did not look like a sick girl when she rolled in. The team immediately hooked Emily up to monitors, took vitals, did an assessment, and went through the admission process. Her rhythm on the monitor was erratic. Emily would act fine, then pause and look ill, then smile and start talking again. She was not scared to be in a new place, and was loving the attention...and then she would look sick - turn a little cyanotic - and then talk again. This was going on again and again - her actions matching her rhythms.

Justina printed out strip after strip from the monitor, approached the intensivist over and over. He had done his assessment but had other patients' notes to write and then a meeting to be at. He only briefly acknowledged Justina's concerns. "The cardiologist has been paged - what else do you want me to do?!" he finally yelled at Justina. Then he stormed out of the unit.

Justina called her charge nurse over and explained the situation. With the crash cart in the room, Justina and the charge nurse were getting information from mom, talking "casually" while another RN entered the admission info in the computer, all the while drawing up and labeling meds. Epi. Atropine. Calcium. Potassium. This was going to happen - if not on this shift, on the next.

The charge nurse had the clerk page another cardiologist to the unit ASAP. The first one was still not in the hospital. Justina remained very calm and the mother did not feel any sense of anxiousness from the staff. Emily, sitting up and answering questions said, "I feel like I am going to throw up - " then her eyes rolled back in her head, she fell backward on her bed, and began seizing for about 15 seconds. It was at that time, the second cardiologist walked in.

Emily was coded for 45 minutes. She was placed on ECMO. She received a heart transplant. She lived. All because of the watchful eyes of a nurse.

I have nothing against physicians. The one in this story may have just had a really bad day, or wasn't thinking - I am not sure which. Caring for our patients is a team approach, and nurses are a key player. It is the nurses who know what their patients ask when the doctor is not around, who can see minute changes, who have assessed how the medications are affecting the patient, and who LISTEN and are CUED in. If a nurse has a concern about their patient, a physician would be wise to be concerned as well.

A recent article in Nursing2015 cites patient safety is highly dependent on team collaboration in order to prevent errors and improve patient outcomes. The article continues to explain reasons this age old problem of physician/nurse dilemma continues: Physicians may have inappropriate, abusive, or disruptive behavior; dismissive attitudes about nurses; gender/power issues; and collaboration/communication issues.

Look at this example of a student nurse who caught a huge problem during her patient assessment:

Jessica was a student nurse in her Med Surg II clinicals. Her patient was a 7 year old boy who was in for respiratory distress. He was to be discharged that day. As Jessica was doing her assessment on him at the beginning of her shift, just as she had learned in school, she noticed the boy's fingers were slightly clubbed. She asked the mother about his medical history, and he didn't have any, except frequent respiratory illness. Jessica nodded and said she would be in to check on them in a little while. She went to look through his medical chart and did not find any history or documentation relating to clubbed fingers. She asked her preceptor about it, and the nurse said she had not noticed, but if Jessica wanted to, could tell his physician when he came by. So, Jessica did. The provider smiled and said, "Ok, show me."

Jessica entered the room with the physician and as the doctor examined his fingers looked at her and winked. "We need to order an echo" he told her. And guess what? Jessica was right. The boy had mitral valve prolapse. How refreshing to have a provider acknowledge a concern!

Getting doctors to listen to nurses may be a difficult task. Sometimes, physicians are outright rude, they are rushed, they do not have respect for the nurse, or they just have other things on their mind. How do we, as nurses, help to bridge the communication gap when doctors don't listen?

Here are four steps to begin this construction process:

  1. Be prepared - know the facts for every possible question. Your patient is in pain? What is the pain level? What have you done? What has worked/not worked? Urine output is low after kidney transplant or bladder surgery? What have you done to fix the problem - what has worked, etc. What are the latest lab levels? What is the EKG reading? Know your stuff - or have it right at your fingertips.
  2. Use the SBAR to quickly tell the physician what is going on. Situation, Background, Assessment, Recommendation. Get to the point and don't "chase rabbits".
  3. When you are prepared with your information and know what you are going to say, be assertive, not rude or demanding. Get your point across in a respectful and concerned manner.
  4. Take responsibility for YOUR actions, no matter how the physician responds, and avoid EMOTIONAL reactions!

Oscar London, MD wrote in his book:

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"Kill as few patients as possible", "Working with a good nurse is one of the great joys of being a doctor. I cannot understand physicians who adopt an adversarial relationship with nurses. They are depriving themselves of an education in hospital wisdom."

Smart man!

If you have any more tips that can help nurses bridge the gap, please share!


Reference

Sirota, T. (2012). Nurse/Physician relationships: Improving or not? Nursing2015. Retrieved from: Nurse/physician relationships: Improving or not? | Article | NursingCenter

i'd like to say first that i'm a nursing student and not yet a RN, but I have many relatives who are doctors and my bf is a doctor. i mean seriously there are nurses and doctors that are both nice and mean, listen and who don't listen. at my clinical rotation, I find that some surgeons can come off as snobbish, but at the teaching hospital where I volunteered at prior to nursing school, the doctors and nurses treated each others respectively and listened to each other. one MD tells me he would rather have the nurse call/page him rather than not for the patient.

The more doctors I meet, the more I hate them. Honestly. The few decent ones stick out like sore thumbs.

Well, that outta bridge the gap.

Specializes in Critical Care.
I totally disagree. This child's life was in his hands, and he accepted the child from the ED. He had his priorities wrong. When an intensivist can see a patient is going down hill, you never ever leave, even though there are other qualified nurses who can run the entire code by theirselves. In my opinion, this borders on abandonment, as he is the highest qualified to care for this patient.

For instance, a paramedic who is not working but comes up on a scene of an accident and gets out to help is qualified to care for the patient. However, if the ambulance comes, and the employees are not paramedics, but an Intermediate or Basic EMT, the paramedic would not legally be able to hand over the patient to their care (if he stated he / she was a paramedic...) because that is handing off to a "lower level of care".

The same applies to all levels in health care. Including doctor/nurse relationships in the case of a scenario such as this child. Otherwise, why would we need doctors?

The paramedic/EMT comparison is valid if we're talking about an RN leaving care to a CNA, but an RN is actually qualified to provide ongoing management of such a patient, an EMT (or CNA) is not.

I'm certainly not opposed to initiating an abandonment complaint against a Physician, I've done so myself which did result in significant improvements in how we communicate. But in order for that to work the complaint has to be valid, and maybe the environment is different in other places but in multiple facilities I've been at there has been no requirement that a Physician be at the bedside of every unstable patient continuously.

What I hope any nurse would ask before pursuing such accusations against a Physician is how that would have altered the patient's course, which hasn't been answered.

Bridging the gap requires nerves of steel and usually a lot of experience.

I myself, am impervious to the C word. It takes great self control to stare down a doctor.. that is screaming at you. Whenever my patient was not getting the medical they needed at that point in time... I took over. Did whatever needed to be done, including calling the chief of staff.

Nowadays.. we can just call a rapid response, a thing of beauty.

Specializes in pediatrics, occupational health.
Well, that outta bridge the gap.

I am so glad I wasn't drinking anything when i read that - it would have been sprayed all over my screen!

:roflmao:

Specializes in pediatrics, occupational health.
The paramedic/EMT comparison is valid if we're talking about an RN leaving care to a CNA, but an RN is actually qualified to provide ongoing management of such a patient, an EMT (or CNA) is not.

I'm certainly not opposed to initiating an abandonment complaint against a Physician, I've done so myself which did result in significant improvements in how we communicate. But in order for that to work the complaint has to be valid, and maybe the environment is different in other places but in multiple facilities I've been at there has been no requirement that a Physician be at the bedside of every unstable patient continuously.

What I hope any nurse would ask before pursuing such accusations against a Physician is how that would have altered the patient's course, which hasn't been answered.

Who knows? It was a story.

Specializes in Med Surg, Informatics.

But what happened to the patient? Did you seek help from a medical director. Does this organization have a process for escalating such issues?

Not another "I hate Doctors thread" sigh.... For every bad doctor example there are equal or more bad nurse examples. When are we going to accept that we are all members of a healthcare team with different skills and scope all of which are equally important. Stop with the petty us vs them mentality!

Specializes in Med Surg, Informatics.

Not another "I hate Doctors thread" sigh.... For every bad doctor example there are equal or more bad nurse examples. When are we going to accept that we are all members of a healthcare team with different skills and scope all of which are equally important. Stop with the petty us vs them mentality!

I agree, assuming an adversarial stance does not help nursing. Nursing Management needs to stand up for nursing when these situations occur and no hospital should tolerate bad behavior from a physician. This is one of the reasons I would not go back to floor nursing. The other is that nurses are their own worst enemies at times. When we pick on each other rather that build each other up, we perpetuate the stereotypes that others can use against us.

Specializes in LTC, CPR instructor, First aid instructor..

I had one who did'nt believe me. I only got worse, and even nearly died once. After 10 long years with this individual, I got me one who I call "Dr. Professional" because he believes me and has saved my life a couple times.:)

Yeah, I've been nearly killed by docs twice now. Not fun.

Yeah, I've been nearly killed by docs twice now. Not fun.

I almost got killed by two dogs too, but that doesn't mean all dogs are bad.