Doctors Don't Always Listen: Bridging the Communication Gap

“Justina”, an ICU nurse, received a 10 year old girl from the ED who had no significant medical history. However, in the past 4 days, this patient had frequent emesis and complaints of stomach pain, with no fever. You might think you know where this is going, but what was truly going on was catastrophic. After approaching the doctor more than 4 times in 30 minutes with grave concerns, the doctor yelled at Justina and stormed away. Justina then went over his head….to her charge nurse. Nurses General Nursing Article

"Emily" was in the nurse's office at her school when her mother was called. She had thrown up again. The nurse and the mother were both perplexed - the mom had taken her to the doctor three days in a row with no answers, no fever, and on again/off again stomach pains. At wits end, mom picked her up from school and brought her to the ED. In triage, the nurse heard "strange" heart sounds while doing her assessment, and notified the ED physician immediately. An EKG was done and she was having trigeminy rhythms. Emily was immediately transferred to the PICU for a cardiology consult.

Justina received report and brought the crash cart to her room while waiting for Emily to arrive from the ED. Everything was in place. When Emily arrived to the unit, she was sitting up and smiling. This did not look like a sick girl when she rolled in. The team immediately hooked Emily up to monitors, took vitals, did an assessment, and went through the admission process. Her rhythm on the monitor was erratic. Emily would act fine, then pause and look ill, then smile and start talking again. She was not scared to be in a new place, and was loving the attention...and then she would look sick - turn a little cyanotic - and then talk again. This was going on again and again - her actions matching her rhythms.

Justina printed out strip after strip from the monitor, approached the intensivist over and over. He had done his assessment but had other patients' notes to write and then a meeting to be at. He only briefly acknowledged Justina's concerns. "The cardiologist has been paged - what else do you want me to do?!" he finally yelled at Justina. Then he stormed out of the unit.

Justina called her charge nurse over and explained the situation. With the crash cart in the room, Justina and the charge nurse were getting information from mom, talking "casually" while another RN entered the admission info in the computer, all the while drawing up and labeling meds. Epi. Atropine. Calcium. Potassium. This was going to happen - if not on this shift, on the next.

The charge nurse had the clerk page another cardiologist to the unit ASAP. The first one was still not in the hospital. Justina remained very calm and the mother did not feel any sense of anxiousness from the staff. Emily, sitting up and answering questions said, "I feel like I am going to throw up - " then her eyes rolled back in her head, she fell backward on her bed, and began seizing for about 15 seconds. It was at that time, the second cardiologist walked in.

Emily was coded for 45 minutes. She was placed on ECMO. She received a heart transplant. She lived. All because of the watchful eyes of a nurse.

I have nothing against physicians. The one in this story may have just had a really bad day, or wasn't thinking - I am not sure which. Caring for our patients is a team approach, and nurses are a key player. It is the nurses who know what their patients ask when the doctor is not around, who can see minute changes, who have assessed how the medications are affecting the patient, and who LISTEN and are CUED in. If a nurse has a concern about their patient, a physician would be wise to be concerned as well.

A recent article in Nursing2015 cites patient safety is highly dependent on team collaboration in order to prevent errors and improve patient outcomes. The article continues to explain reasons this age old problem of physician/nurse dilemma continues: Physicians may have inappropriate, abusive, or disruptive behavior; dismissive attitudes about nurses; gender/power issues; and collaboration/communication issues.

Look at this example of a student nurse who caught a huge problem during her patient assessment:

Jessica was a student nurse in her Med Surg II clinicals. Her patient was a 7 year old boy who was in for respiratory distress. He was to be discharged that day. As Jessica was doing her assessment on him at the beginning of her shift, just as she had learned in school, she noticed the boy's fingers were slightly clubbed. She asked the mother about his medical history, and he didn't have any, except frequent respiratory illness. Jessica nodded and said she would be in to check on them in a little while. She went to look through his medical chart and did not find any history or documentation relating to clubbed fingers. She asked her preceptor about it, and the nurse said she had not noticed, but if Jessica wanted to, could tell his physician when he came by. So, Jessica did. The provider smiled and said, "Ok, show me."

Jessica entered the room with the physician and as the doctor examined his fingers looked at her and winked. "We need to order an echo" he told her. And guess what? Jessica was right. The boy had mitral valve prolapse. How refreshing to have a provider acknowledge a concern!

Getting doctors to listen to nurses may be a difficult task. Sometimes, physicians are outright rude, they are rushed, they do not have respect for the nurse, or they just have other things on their mind. How do we, as nurses, help to bridge the communication gap when doctors don't listen?

Here are four steps to begin this construction process:

  1. Be prepared - know the facts for every possible question. Your patient is in pain? What is the pain level? What have you done? What has worked/not worked? Urine output is low after kidney transplant or bladder surgery? What have you done to fix the problem - what has worked, etc. What are the latest lab levels? What is the EKG reading? Know your stuff - or have it right at your fingertips.
  2. Use the SBAR to quickly tell the physician what is going on. Situation, Background, Assessment, Recommendation. Get to the point and don't "chase rabbits".
  3. When you are prepared with your information and know what you are going to say, be assertive, not rude or demanding. Get your point across in a respectful and concerned manner.
  4. Take responsibility for YOUR actions, no matter how the physician responds, and avoid EMOTIONAL reactions!

Oscar London, MD wrote in his book:

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"Kill as few patients as possible", "Working with a good nurse is one of the great joys of being a doctor. I cannot understand physicians who adopt an adversarial relationship with nurses. They are depriving themselves of an education in hospital wisdom."

Smart man!

If you have any more tips that can help nurses bridge the gap, please share!


Reference

Sirota, T. (2012). Nurse/Physician relationships: Improving or not? Nursing2015. Retrieved from: Nurse/physician relationships: Improving or not? | Article | NursingCenter

Specializes in pediatrics, occupational health.
I can think of plenty of examples of where A Physician didn't initiate the actions that were warranted because they didn't take something seriously, but to be honest I have to agree with the Physician in the first example, what else did you want them to do?

Not leave the unit!!!

Specializes in Critical Care.
Not leave the unit!!!

How would that have changed the patient's course? Are there not ACLS trained staff on the unit? If having patient that very well could code was sufficient reason to require an intensivist to physically remain on the unit at all times then they could really never leave, which would be nice but not very practical.

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Not leave the unit!!!

How would that have changed the patient's course? Are there not ACLS trained staff on the unit? If having patient that very well could code was sufficient reason to require an intensivist to physically remain on the unit at all times then they could really never leave, which would be nice but not very practical.

if there is an impending code the and all the nurses on the unit know it than it's impractical for the physician to leave the bedside.... That particular doc needed to call the cardiologist himself and notify him of the severity of the situation.... The code itself could have been prevented in the first place....

Specializes in pediatrics, occupational health.
How would that have changed the patient's course? Are there not ACLS trained staff on the unit? If having patient that very well could code was sufficient reason to require an intensivist to physically remain on the unit at all times then they could really never leave, which would be nice but not very practical.

I totally disagree. This child's life was in his hands, and he accepted the child from the ED. He had his priorities wrong. When an intensivist can see a patient is going down hill, you never ever leave, even though there are other qualified nurses who can run the entire code by theirselves. In my opinion, this borders on abandonment, as he is the highest qualified to care for this patient.

For instance, a paramedic who is not working but comes up on a scene of an accident and gets out to help is qualified to care for the patient. However, if the ambulance comes, and the employees are not paramedics, but an Intermediate or Basic EMT, the paramedic would not legally be able to hand over the patient to their care (if he stated he / she was a paramedic...) because that is handing off to a "lower level of care".

The same applies to all levels in health care. Including doctor/nurse relationships in the case of a scenario such as this child. Otherwise, why would we need doctors?

Jeez. Why the interrogation?

Specializes in pediatrics, occupational health.
Strange heart sounds? Do you mean S3, S4, gallop, rub? What exactly are strange heart sounds?”

and the rest of your ranting could be included...this was an example, not an ICU SBAR report - nor a case report.

This is a story - an example of doctors not listening to nurses. Not sure why it offended you so much (could you be a doctor?).

If you don't like my articles, don't read them, you may not get so stressed out!

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Oh please. This is a board with nurses from all corners of the field, I would have stopped reading if OP had gone into detail, it was not relevant to the point of the topic. This is not in the critical care forum.

How much experience does one need to understand that?

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.

Here's an example where a physician has listened:

A pedi pt came to the ED with reoccurring abdominal pain; received a CT Scan and an Ultrasound from two outside hospitals that were unremarkable; c/o occasional nausea, some vomiting initially, no fever, no RLQ tenderness, positive bowel sounds; ER doc came to me and really was stumped and asked if I had any suggestions; I stated, "get a belly film and see what it shows."

Belly film showed constipation...all those tests to r/o appendicitis, but the basic abdominal X- Ray was ignored.

The best thing about this story is the doctor told the family that I made the suggestion; this family was at their wit send and was profusely thankful for a suggestion.

I have always had a good reputation of getting through physicians or physicians being mindful of communicating with me; at least 99% of physicians where I work listen and communicate with me-I MAKE residents listen to me and have been in situations where physicians should have listen and they have apologized to me; which helps improve future communication and interactions, in my experience.

Great article, the one you wrote as well as the one you used as a reference. I'm loving "Justina" right now. The "Justinas" of the world are the people I admire greatly and have always used as my own personal role models.

A quote in the article that you referenced is something I believe has a very significant impact in some of the communication challenges between nurses and physicians.

"Another consideration is the difference in how nurses and physicians approach patient care. Nurses are educated to see the broader health care picture; they tend to focus on holistic issues and the more human aspects of care. Physicians have been educated to focus on "the case"; they're concerned more with strategies for medical cure or management and may not focus on emotional issues, discharge planning, social and cultural concerns, and helping patients live with their disease and treatment."

Nurses and physicians are taught to conceptualize and communicate differently about the same issue. Essentially, speaking different languages, even though some of the words are the same. SBAR is a great bridge. With the rise of NPs and PAs the gap has closed considerably over the years, in my view. That might be my own experience talking, though, it's hard for me to be objective when it comes to something that has become part of who I am for so long.

I've always said that something like "communication boot camp" would be extremely helpful in nursing school or even as a CEU idea. Any bright and creative entrepeneurs should pick up that idea and run with it. Communicating effectively under pressure and sometimes under adverse conditions can be a game changing skill. That's what I think, anyway.

Specializes in pediatrics, occupational health.

I've always said that something like "communication boot camp" would be extremely helpful in nursing school or even as a CEU idea. Any bright and creative entrepeneurs should pick up that idea and run with it. Communicating effectively under pressure and sometimes under adverse conditions can be a game changing skill. That's what I think, anyway.

I LOVE the idea of a communication boot camp! My hospital is always trying to educate everyone on so many different topics that matter - this one would be a FANTASTIC topic! :D