Doctor oriented hospital

SmilingBluEyes · Feb 13, 2006

You mean that there are places out there that are not doctor oriented? OMG!

no lie.... :roll

mak2 · Feb 13, 2006

Yes I have noticed Doctors are nto too crazy about Magnet hospitals and VA and social medicine hospitals.

clee1 · Feb 13, 2006

In the city where I grew up, one of the 4 hospitals was called "Doctor's Hospital" because, counterintuitively I suppose, it was owned by a large consortium of local MDs.

While not as large as the other three hospitals in town, it was widely regarded as the best: by attending MDs, nursing staff, and patients. Staff were fiercely loyal to the place; you couldn't get them to leave at gunpoint. Any physician in town went THERE for tx when required for themselves or their families - it was that good.

Sadly, a couple of the founders retired and rifts amongst the rest saw the place sold off to a large HC corp. There went pt and staff satisfaction right out the window. Now the place is a private psychiatric and addiction treatment center.

steelcityrn, RN · Feb 13, 2006

hospitals around here are more patient oriented. many dr's have to now play by the rules. keep patients in the hospital longer than anticipated, waste the hospitals money, you can be banned from that facility.

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babynurselsa, RN · Feb 14, 2006

If I win the powerball my plan is to buy a hospital..........

And the Nurses will be the bosses and the Docs will be the employees.

Gonna buy up a bunch of them new farts with lots of loans to repay and we are gonna train em up.......:)

SouthernLPN2RN, MSN, RN, APRN, NP · Feb 14, 2006

Yes I have noticed Doctors are nto too crazy about Magnet hospitals and VA and social medicine hospitals.

I am closely watching a local hospital that is rumored to be preparing for Magnet status. I've never worked there, but when I graduate, the job opps will be a lot better for me and they may be an option.

Selke · Mar 18, 2006

Any of you work in a hospital where you are told by the other nurses that the doctors are god and that you are expected to serve them? Ever work in a hospital where the nurses call the doctors "Doctor?" Not as in "doctor so and so" but "Doctor?"

LPN1974, LPN · Mar 18, 2006

If I win the powerball my plan is to buy a hospital..........
And the Nurses will be the bosses and the Docs will be the employees.
Gonna buy up a bunch of them new farts with lots of loans to repay and we are gonna train em up.......:)

ROFLOL.......can I come work for you?

And make em clean up their messes when they do things like throw charts and things across the room.

introspectiveRN · Mar 18, 2006

If I win the powerball my plan is to buy a hospital..........
And the Nurses will be the bosses and the Docs will be the employees.
Gonna buy up a bunch of them new farts with lots of loans to repay and we are gonna train em up.......:)

Yes! Yes! Yes! We can bill for our services and Doc's services can be billed as part of paying for the room you are in (like the TV, the bed, the IV pole, etc. etc.) ...

heh heh heh :devil:

...just a thought....

Multicollinearity, BSN, RN · Mar 18, 2006

I thought there was a thread entitled something like "are doctors god?" but couldn't find it so I'll post here ... this thread is pretty similar to my issue. I think I'm working in a "Doctor's hospital." It's not just about the parking, but the Power structures in the system ....
I started a new per diem job at a small Catholic hospital in a small town in a small state in L&D and the employee orientation was a tip - off ... the HR person clearly stated that staff are there to take care of "their Doctors" (you can hear the Capital "D" in Doctors) because they bring in the patients and the income. There was no mention in orientation about valuing nurses or nurse retention or the irreplaceable contribution nurses make. (Unlike other places I've oriented and worked ...)
I start on the unit and the nurses here call the doctor "Doctor." Not as in, Dr. so and so, but just Doctor. Even the young RNs do this. I have never heard anyone do this in my life except for very old, very traditional nurses and I've lived and worked in 3 states. Nurses I've known wouldn't be caught dead addressing an MD as "Doctor" except as part of a title and last name.
I was told that one of these Doctors complained loudly about me because I did not jump fast or high enough when he wanted something. I was told, yesterday, point blank, by this nurse, that the Doctor Is God and that I am there to serve him. He is never to walk into the room alone, I am to watch out for when he comes onto the floor, and I will anticipate everything he needs and have it ready so that he will never have to ask for anything. I am expendable because I am a nurse, no matter how good a nurse I am. The Doctors bring in money, we don't. Patients aren't there for us but for the Doctor. If I behave like I should then they will like me. This unit also is very short staffed and apparently can't either keep or retain nurses, except the old, or young, traditional minded females. We are also required to ask patients if they are "married" or not to establish paternity, which I have never heard of nurses doing, either.
I may add that most of the staff here are immigrants from conservative European catholic countries, and/or are very conservative local catholics, which I think explains their relationship to authority and strict gender roles.
This is also a hostile work environment as the staff and Doctors make very open, hostile comments about gays and lesbians, "liberals," racist comments about patients, anyone who is anti Republican or who is Democrat. Of course I never talk politics/sexual orientation/ personal business at work, but I have been stunned at the level of open hostility and personal nastiness among most of the staff here. I can see the writing on the wall already: they will pull every nasty nurse trick in the book to get me booted if they suspect anything about me.
This is 180 degrees different from my last job, which I loved ... all of us, nurses and doctors and midwives, collaborated on care of patients, we were same social class, and hung out together outside of work. Everyone was nice, on first name basis, &c. People held different political views but we just didn't talk about them, we'd talk about other things while respecting each other.
I'm looking for a new per diem job, needless to say. Having to fake this attitude at work, playing Uncle Tom Nurse at work, won't help me foster the attitudes I need to become an independent midwife in graduate school. I can fake this, put on my smiley subservient nurse face (which is how I cope with difficult workplaces), play the role of "nurse" impeccably, and apologize, apologize, apologize up the wazoo, showing submissive behavior.
What's even stranger is there are midwives here but I am uncomfortable talking to them. I am unsure of their connections with faculty at my school. One of the faculty at my school started their birthing center. I am obviously a worker bee, a nurse, not a student there to learn, so I don't belong to their clique, either. These MWs work for these same Doctors and from what I have observed they have bought into this system and share in the Doctor's status.
I find this intolerable as a nurse and I feel like I'm selling my soul out at a time I need support in transitioning from nurse to midwife, but have no support in this at all. I welcome comments/ suggestions ....

This is a nightmare!

kat911 · Mar 18, 2006

I thought there was a thread entitled something like "are doctors god?" but couldn't find it so I'll post here ... this thread is pretty similar to my issue. I think I'm working in a "Doctor's hospital." It's not just about the parking, but the Power structures in the system ....
I started a new per diem job at a small Catholic hospital in a small town in a small state in L&D and the employee orientation was a tip - off ... the HR person clearly stated that staff are there to take care of "their Doctors" (you can hear the Capital "D" in Doctors) because they bring in the patients and the income. There was no mention in orientation about valuing nurses or nurse retention or the irreplaceable contribution nurses make. (Unlike other places I've oriented and worked ...)
I start on the unit and the nurses here call the doctor "Doctor." Not as in, Dr. so and so, but just Doctor. Even the young RNs do this. I have never heard anyone do this in my life except for very old, very traditional nurses and I've lived and worked in 3 states. Nurses I've known wouldn't be caught dead addressing an MD as "Doctor" except as part of a title and last name.
I was told that one of these Doctors complained loudly about me because I did not jump fast or high enough when he wanted something. I was told, yesterday, point blank, by this nurse, that the Doctor Is God and that I am there to serve him. He is never to walk into the room alone, I am to watch out for when he comes onto the floor, and I will anticipate everything he needs and have it ready so that he will never have to ask for anything. I am expendable because I am a nurse, no matter how good a nurse I am. The Doctors bring in money, we don't. Patients aren't there for us but for the Doctor. If I behave like I should then they will like me. This unit also is very short staffed and apparently can't either keep or retain nurses, except the old, or young, traditional minded females. We are also required to ask patients if they are "married" or not to establish paternity, which I have never heard of nurses doing, either.
I may add that most of the staff here are immigrants from conservative European catholic countries, and/or are very conservative local catholics, which I think explains their relationship to authority and strict gender roles.
This is also a hostile work environment as the staff and Doctors make very open, hostile comments about gays and lesbians, "liberals," racist comments about patients, anyone who is anti Republican or who is Democrat. Of course I never talk politics/sexual orientation/ personal business at work, but I have been stunned at the level of open hostility and personal nastiness among most of the staff here. I can see the writing on the wall already: they will pull every nasty nurse trick in the book to get me booted if they suspect anything about me.
This is 180 degrees different from my last job, which I loved ... all of us, nurses and doctors and midwives, collaborated on care of patients, we were same social class, and hung out together outside of work. Everyone was nice, on first name basis, &c. People held different political views but we just didn't talk about them, we'd talk about other things while respecting each other.
I'm looking for a new per diem job, needless to say. Having to fake this attitude at work, playing Uncle Tom Nurse at work, won't help me foster the attitudes I need to become an independent midwife in graduate school. I can fake this, put on my smiley subservient nurse face (which is how I cope with difficult workplaces), play the role of "nurse" impeccably, and apologize, apologize, apologize up the wazoo, showing submissive behavior.
What's even stranger is there are midwives here but I am uncomfortable talking to them. I am unsure of their connections with faculty at my school. One of the faculty at my school started their birthing center. I am obviously a worker bee, a nurse, not a student there to learn, so I don't belong to their clique, either. These MWs work for these same Doctors and from what I have observed they have bought into this system and share in the Doctor's status.
I find this intolerable as a nurse and I feel like I'm selling my soul out at a time I need support in transitioning from nurse to midwife, but have no support in this at all. I welcome comments/ suggestions ....

GET OUT!GET OUT! GET OUT! That place sounds archaic. Eventually they will destroy the hospital. Happened to one I worked at, I didn't give up my chair for them, I didn't call them Doctor and I went to some of the younger more liberal minded docs to get help in dealing with the one's who made mistakes. I was eventually accepted and things began to change but it doesn't look like you have anoy of those liberal minded docs around to go to. It won't change until the old guard is replaced.