In the news this week, a newborn was found in a ditch at around 6 a.m. naked buy still covered in bodily fluids. It was around 20 degrees here when this baby was found.
HOW does this happen?
The mother for lack of a better word has not come forward yet. The police are saying they are not interested in pressing charges at this time.
I don't understand for the life of me how someone can bring a life into this world and then just toss the child into a ditch...no blanket, no bath...nothing
Even if she were very very young, most 10-11 yo girls won't even put a pet out in this frigid weather...so how does one toss a baby out?
Well I must say that I really enjoy this website!! This is my first post, and it seems that it is on a hot topic. I am in my first year of college, and in 2007 I hope to be a RN (such a long way to go) I like reading all the posts and getting a glimpse of what being a nurse is like, because it's so different from what everyone imagines it would be like.
Now for what I actually am posting about. When I hear of the mother who left her child to die in the cold weather I am filled with such sorrow! I think that today the life of a baby has no value. 4,000 babies a day are aborted in America. I am one who feels very strongly that from the moment of conception a child is formed and that the child should be given a chance to live. God formed this life, and we should not terminate it.
I know that my comments will not generate many positive responses, and the LAST thing that I want to do is start a debate! It's just that the first thing that popped into my mind when I read the first post was that the value of humanity has certainly dwindled. I have talked to women who have had abortions, and after it is over they knew that they killed their baby and they have to live with that every day. My heart breaks when I hear of someone who knows that they made the wrong choice and killed their baby instead of adoption. I hope you see that I am not trying to judge, I just do not want someone to live with the regret of abortion when there is another option!!
I sure do look forward to continuing posting on this website. I am sure that you will all be so much help to me in the future, because I know I will have many questions regarding nursing!! Thanks to all!:)
Student, I don't think a post like that would ever generate any real negative responses. Being pro-life and believing in adoption over abortion is very different from name calling and judging. Your post was nothing but respectful, and that attitude will serve you well when you are a nurse.
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Originally posted by student4now
I know that my comments will not generate many positive responses, and the LAST thing that I want to do is start a debate! It's just that the first thing that popped into my mind when I read the first post was that the value of humanity has certainly dwindled. I have talked to women who have had abortions, and after it is over they knew that they killed their baby and they have to live with that every day. My heart breaks when I hear of someone who knows that they made the wrong choice and killed their baby instead of adoption. I hope you see that I am not trying to judge, I just do not want someone to live with the regret of abortion when there is another option!!
I sure do look forward to continuing posting on this website. I am sure that you will all be so much help to me in the future, because I know I will have many questions regarding nursing!! Thanks to all!:)
Welcome to you. I have no problem with your anti-abortion stance. You never name-called anyone in your post. But one thing really sticks in my mind---- and I would ask anyone who is so against abortion this-----so--- I have only one question, okay well I am lying, I have a couple:
what have you done to help these women who "killed their babies" heal? You have heard their sorrowful stories. What do you do in response to hearing them and how would you prevent this problem of abortion, knowing their backgrounds? I am not flaming you, I swear. I just want to know how you HELP them. Thank you and again, welcome to the forums!
What angry judgements toward my patients? What patient? What angry judgements? When did I get angry?
But, yes, Love cannot coexist with angry judgements. I agree
I just find it hard to believe you will never look after a woman who has had an abortion. They are not just on OB. They are in every unit in the hospital at some point. So if you call them psychopaths or anti-social or whatever, especially when you don't even know they have had an abortion, that to me is an angry judgement.
By the way, if you notice, I asked what you meant by your comment and did not respond until you answered. You were the one who wanted people to assume.
Well, I'll never work at Planned Parenthood, and I won't work in OB, so I guess I don't really have to worry about it. But thanks for the priceless advice.
What do YOU know about Planned Parenthood? They may perform abortions, but they DO NOT ENCOURAGE THEM!! It's misinformed people like yourself who give Planned Parenthood a bad name. There was a time in my life, when I could not afford health insurance. Planned parenthood provided me with low cost physical exams, pap smears, and birth control.
Also, You will encounter women who have had abortions on all floors of a hospital, not just in OB. You may find that info in the H&P. Will you be able to put that aside and care for them like you would your own mother?
Welcome to you. I have no problem with your anti-abortion stance. You never name-called anyone in your post. But one thing really sticks in my mind---- and I would ask anyone who is so against abortion this-----so--- I have only one question, okay well I am lying, I have a couple:
what have you done to help these women who "killed their babies" heal? You have heard their sorrowful stories. What do you do in response to hearing them and how would you prevent this problem of abortion, knowing their backgrounds? I am not flaming you, I swear. I just want to know how you HELP them. Thank you and again, welcome to the forums!
Thanks so much for the warm welcome! I think that you raise very valid questions, and I am happy to answer. Let me start by saying that I am not a counselor and I have never counseled anyone after having an abortion, but I have a great desire to. I have always felt that abortion was wrong, but it has only been recently that I have seen how it affects the women who have had them. So, to answer your questions I must say that I am looking into ways to help. Everyone makes mistakes in their lives, but God will always forgive!
One question you asked was what do I do in response to hearing a sorrowful story. Well, honestly my heart breaks when I hear of someone who is hurting. I surely do not see them as a bad person! Honestly, at this point I don't feel equipped to counsel someone, but I hope to some day!! I would tell someone who is hurting to call 1-800-A-FAMILY, because they have more resources that I do.
I do have a great burden to help people who are hurting, and I AM looking for ways to help. I hope that I have answered your questions. If not, then I'll be happy to try again!
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Originally posted by student4now
Thanks so much for the warm welcome! I think that you raise very valid questions, and I am happy to answer. Let me start by saying that I am not a counselor and I have never counseled anyone after having an abortion, but I have a great desire to. I have always felt that abortion was wrong, but it has only been recently that I have seen how it affects the women who have had them. So, to answer your questions I must say that I am looking into ways to help. Everyone makes mistakes in their lives, but God will always forgive!
One question you asked was what do I do in response to hearing a sorrowful story. Well, honestly my heart breaks when I hear of someone who is hurting. I surely do not see them as a bad person! Honestly, at this point I don't feel equipped to counsel someone, but I hope to some day!! I would tell someone who is hurting to call 1-800-A-FAMILY, because they have more resources that I do.
I do have a great burden to help people who are hurting, and I AM looking for ways to help. I hope that I have answered your questions. If not, then I'll be happy to try again!
Thank you for your obvious sincerity and kindness. Ya know, they shine like a badge. While I am cleary Pro-choice, I totally respect your viewpoint and what you say here. This is certainly a kinder stance than labeling people thoughtlessly and cruelly, for their "mistakes". You seem very caring and kind. I am sure you will succeed at your goal of helping women who regret having an abortion. You are right, the number who regret it is high. I know that much. KUDOS to you FOR HELPING, NOT HURTING these people. You Have a good night now.
A couple of years ago up where I live a young single mom went away to party in another city and left her 3 month old baby and her 14 month old toddler to fend for themselves. She left them each with a bottle of milk. She went away with her boyfreind who was the childrens father and told him they were being babysat. They were not living together but he would not have taken her to party with him if he know the kids were left alone. She was gone about 10 days. The neigbours said (after the fact ) the the 14 month old was crying on and off for days and then the crying stopped. One neigbour stated he had reported this to police but police denied being notified. She had left them unattended many times before to go out to the bars. The story goes that when she did return the 3 month old was dead in her crib so mom wrapped her in a garbage bag and threw her in the dumpster. The toddler was also dead. He had taken longer to die so she wrapped him in a rug and put him a closet then moved all her furniture out. The toddler was found because the landlord came to collect his rent arrears and noticed the apt empty so went in to check and found the child in the closet. Both children died horrible deaths from dehydration. I am still haunted by this story. No one helped them even though they cried and cried for days. What must have been going through the toddlers mind as he cried for his mommy. This was just a horrible horrible thing. She has since gone to jail for this but some try to garner sympathy for her because she was young + isolated with no support system in place etc. It doesn't wash with me. She choose to go and do drugs and drink and party and she must have know that you leave little children along for 10 days with out food or water they just might die! I feel no compassion for that mom. I also think this incident will haunt me for the rest of my life.
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Originally posted by petunia
A couple of years ago up where I live a young single mom went away to party in another city and left her 3 month old baby and her 14 month old toddler to fend for themselves. She left them each with a bottle of milk. She went away with her boyfreind who was the childrens father and told him they were being babysat. They were not living together but he would not have taken her to party with him if he know the kids were left alone. She was gone about 10 days. The neigbours said (after the fact ) the the 14 month old was crying on and off for days and then the crying stopped. One neigbour stated he had reported this to police but police denied being notified. She had left them unattended many times before to go out to the bars. The story goes that when she did return the 3 month old was dead in her crib so mom wrapped her in a garbage bag and threw her in the dumpster. The toddler was also dead. He had taken longer to die so she wrapped him in a rug and put him a closet then moved all her furniture out. The toddler was found because the landlord came to collect his rent arrears and noticed the apt empty so went in to check and found the child in the closet. Both children died horrible deaths from dehydration. I am still haunted by this story. No one helped them even though they cried and cried for days. What must have been going through the toddlers mind as he cried for his mommy. This was just a horrible horrible thing. She has since gone to jail for this but some try to garner sympathy for her because she was young + isolated with no support system in place etc. It doesn't wash with me. She choose to go and do drugs and drink and party and she must have know that you leave little children along for 10 days with out food or water they just might die! I feel no compassion for that mom. I also think this incident will haunt me for the rest of my life.
a young mother here in philadelphia stabbed her toddler two or three times with a steak knife and left her in the snow. THe baby is alive, and there has been an outpouring of support for the child, hunreds of people want to give her money, and a home. So, when you feel sick to your stomache about something so horrendous try to remember, for every one sicko there are hundreds of good people. However hard it is to think that when you hear these stories. There are so many wonderful people who want a baby so badly, and can't have one and these monsters have them and do such horrible things. Its so unfair.
What upsets me about this particular instance that bonjovigirl quoted was how the media told about it (which I dont mind) but then there is this outpouring of support for this one child - when there are so many other needy people and children out there that need adopting and support - children that need mentors in the community and a positive influence in their life, and so many things that people could donate time or money to all the time instead of just when the media finds one instance of something horrendous happening (as the media says "if it bleeds, it leads" - on the news - sick but a good instance of it here, I'm sure)
I will say this - I have noticed a lot of people commenting that they have not been able to have childrenand are upset about what has happened...understandably
I also feel though that I cannot judge without knowing the full sets of circumstances
On a separate (more personal) note - I often wish that I could be a surrogate mother - but know that it would not work - due to my epilepsy
In the NICU, it seems like the most callous and irresponsible "parents" (using that term VERY loosely) are walking baby factories - while, as you all have pointed out, many hard-working, kind and loving couples cannot have a baby (and do not meet the adoption industry's age requirements).
Not to say that if your infant has to go to NICU, that it is YOUR fault - certainly not. There are an infinite amount of medical conditions requiring NICU admission that have nothing to do with parents' previous actions or lifestyles. I just ache when I see babies there that would not have to be, had Mom sought help for her cocaine habit, etc,etc.
Hubby and I finally had our daughter when I was age 40 and he was 51 - adoption agencies would not even speak with us because of our ages - despite the fact we own our own home, are financially stable and have no social risk factors. Yet a 15 year-old who neglects or beats her infant will have custody restored to her by the judge until the infant winds up dead.....
Fortunately, advanced reproduction techniques worked for us, but not everyone can afford or is a candidate for these procedures.
I only pray that God has a special place in heaven for these sweet innocent babies who have done nothing to anyone, and have never had a chance.
MissERN
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Well I must say that I really enjoy this website!! This is my first post, and it seems that it is on a hot topic. I am in my first year of college, and in 2007 I hope to be a RN (such a long way to go)
I like reading all the posts and getting a glimpse of what being a nurse is like, because it's so different from what everyone imagines it would be like.
Now for what I actually am posting about. When I hear of the mother who left her child to die in the cold weather I am filled with such sorrow! I think that today the life of a baby has no value. 4,000 babies a day are aborted in America. I am one who feels very strongly that from the moment of conception a child is formed and that the child should be given a chance to live. God formed this life, and we should not terminate it.
I know that my comments will not generate many positive responses, and the LAST thing that I want to do is start a debate! It's just that the first thing that popped into my mind when I read the first post was that the value of humanity has certainly dwindled. I have talked to women who have had abortions, and after it is over they knew that they killed their baby and they have to live with that every day. My heart breaks when I hear of someone who knows that they made the wrong choice and killed their baby instead of adoption. I hope you see that I am not trying to judge, I just do not want someone to live with the regret of abortion when there is another option!!
I sure do look forward to continuing posting on this website. I am sure that you will all be so much help to me in the future, because I know I will have many questions regarding nursing!! Thanks to all!:)