Kind of a weird situation and I don't know what to do (if anything). I'm a freshman in a 4-year Nursing program. My roommate is also in the program. The rules are you must pass A&PI (lecture + lab), A&PII (lecture + lab) and Chem (lecture + lab) with at least a C (75) by May of your first year in order to continue on in the program.
Last week in conversation my roommate revealed she had gotten a C- in A&PI lecture.
Let me just say that anyone who does not pass any one science course with the required C is allowed to retake that class to get a higher grade. She chose not to do this. (She claims her advisor never said anything so she doesn't think there's a problem).
Today is course selection. She successfully signed up for all the nursing classes (intro, health assessment, clinical, labs, micro) while at least 2 other girls I know of did NOT get put in.
I feel like 1) the program should have caught her grade slip and either told her to retake or not let her sign up... and 2) I kind of want to bring this to the attention of someone but I don't want to seem like an a** or whiney student.
I'm just very frustrated at this point, because I feel that it is very unfair that she is taking up spots in the classes she technically shouldn't be in.
Specializes in geriatric, maternity, pediatric, medsurg.
I'm also in a 4-year nursing program, and am currently a junior, I could be wrong, and my school could be totally different from yours, but I thought that no lower than C (75) grade was only for nursing courses. Therefore, the science courses that you take (e.g., A&P, med micro, etc.) have a different grade - for instance a C-. Another reason I thought that too was because (again, this is how my school is) when you register for classes, it would know that a C- is considered "failing" so it would not let her to proceed to registering. I've known people that have tried to get into courses by the computer would not let them because they got a C-. You could also e-mail or call anonymously to your nursing secretary, or even ask your advisor, they are usually up to date on that type of information. I would be pretty upset if that wasn't the case though, and the friends that did not get into the class should definately point her out don't feel like a whiny student!!!!!!!!!!!!
Specializes in med/surg, telemetry, IV therapy, mgmt.
worry about yourself. when you get into nursing classes the last thing you want or need is for classmates to be competitive and start sticking their nose into your business. what if you were the one with a struggling grade? what if you discovered that others were doing everything they could to cut you from the pack? what if there was information you knew as to why you were still there that they didn't?
if malice or envy were tangible and had a shape, it would be the shape of a boomerang.
I'm also in a 4-year nursing program, and am currently a junior, I could be wrong, and my school could be totally different from yours, but I thought that no lower than C (75) grade was only for nursing courses. Therefore, the science courses that you take (e.g., A&P, med micro, etc.) have a different grade - for instance a C-. Another reason I thought that too was because (again, this is how my school is) when you register for classes, it would know that a C- is considered "failing" so it would not let her to proceed to registering. I've known people that have tried to get into courses by the computer would not let them because they got a C-. You could also e-mail or call anonymously to your nursing secretary, or even ask your advisor, they are usually up to date on that type of information. I would be pretty upset if that wasn't the case though, and the friends that did not get into the class should definately point her out don't feel like a whiny student!!!!!!!!!!!!
At first I was unsure of this too, but our handbook says in the freshman sciences the grade is a 75, and in the nursing courses it is a 77.
Worry about yourself. When you get into nursing classes the last thing you want or need is for classmates to be competitive and start sticking their nose into your business. What if you were the one with a struggling grade? What if you discovered that others were doing everything they could to cut you from the pack? What if there was information you knew as to why you were still there that they didn't?
I understand what you're saying, and I don't mean to say there's nothing else in her life going on, but I live with this girl all day everyday (we are in literally every class together ..not my choice). She is very lazy about homework and studying and would rather nap than look over notes. She is very nonchalant about her grades in general, even failing ones. There could very well be an outside problem she is dealing with, but her attitude doesn't really help.
I know there's really nothing I can do, I'm just frustrated!
She paid to take the classes she is taking. Its her money or her parents money or her loans or whatever, so its really nobody else's business. The whole "how dare this person take a spot from someone else who REALLY deserves it (by my standards)" speal is pretty unpleasant. Enough people will fail out of the program before it is all said and done that 1 seat taken by someone who was given it and failed is not going to be all that big of a difference.
IMO, sounds more like you just dont like her (calling her lazy and being concerned about "all the other students" instead of your "friend") This shouldn't be bothering you IMO. You should just keep your head down and worry about your own progress.
What you are doing is failing to see what you are doing and trying to find sympathetic ears and others who will agree with you.
Ok I have already stated that I'm not going to go tattle on anyone, and I have also said more than once that this was just a big vent .. if that's what looking for a sympathetic ear is, then fine. I don't think that's wrong of someone to do on a forum. I asked for advice, and received plenty. Saying nothing was my instinct, and many posters have reiterated that I should just mind my own business, which is what I'm doing. Thanks for your input.
ita that minding my own business is what keeps me with a reputation for being someone that can be depended on, a good listener(i won't tell the world your business), and an all around pretty good person to be around.
but they also know i will turn in cheating on the tests, one because it's against the morals clause, and two the sounds of those little keys text messaging distract me, as i have adhd and great hearing. the same goes for deliberate misdirection of drugs.
it's not my place to judge others or decide that the school made an error about something that does not concern me or patient's safety. the girl who tattles in our current class, is now very lonely, as no one really talks to her anymore, because she can't be trusted.
I wouldn't tell on her, but tell her again that she needs to look in to this. It sounds like there was some administrative mistake, and the problem is that just because the college made a mistake, doesn't mean they will give her a free pass once they find out. I'm also wondering if the fact that it's not May yet is the reason she can still register- even though there's no way she can retake a class in 2 weeks, there is technically still time for her to meet the requirements.
My first degree was from a school that had a nightmare administration- just awful, disorganized. The financial aid department overpaid me aid one semester. I noticed and asked about it and was assured that it was correct and not to worry. Two semesters later when I graduated, they held my transcripts hostage until I paid them back the overpayment. I had an email trail of them saying not to worry, showing that I had approached them to make sure it was ok, that they gave me incorrect information.... and it didn't matter.
Your roommate's advisor "not noticing" will be an even weaker position to argue from, especially when the information is available in your student handbook.
So say something again to warn her and to get it off your chest. Avoid the unfairness factor because I'd place money on this catching up with her sooner rather than later. And then shake it off! Stewing over it is just going to raise your stress level, and it's good to practice letting go of unfair things that are outside your control.
Think of this as training for the real world. You may see or know of something in your career as a nurse that you may need to report.
In this case: Follow your heart, not just your head. Like others have mentioned, talking to your roommate about future consequences (such as a setback in the program to retake a class or never being able to retake a class to raise the grade & ultimately final GPA) might be the best solution. It should lift your burden and ease your mind. You never know. By improving communication with your roommate, you may open a door that could greatly benefit you both in the long run.
I once had a "friend" in nursing school that I confided in that I had helped a failing student by going over some of the midterm questions, because I had taken the exam the night before he was going to. What I did was wrong and unethical, and I offer no excuse except that I felt sorry for this student who was struggling with Micro. Anyway, my "friend" decided that she was going to play the part of the "morals police" and went to the instructor with the whole thing, although I begged her not to do it. As it turned out, it was no big deal to the instructor who didn't even speak to me about it, although he did speak to the person I was helping. Later, my so-called friend was hired at the same facility that I work at, and she was almost universally disliked - the same characteristics that had made her go running to the professor to complain about some cheating that had nothing to do with her made her a very un-lovely person to work alongside. She didn't last at the job long before she quit. No one missed her. However, I learned a valuable lesson about letting feelings of sympathy cause you to take dangerous chances!
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I'm also in a 4-year nursing program, and am currently a junior, I could be wrong, and my school could be totally different from yours, but I thought that no lower than C (75) grade was only for nursing courses. Therefore, the science courses that you take (e.g., A&P, med micro, etc.) have a different grade - for instance a C-. Another reason I thought that too was because (again, this is how my school is) when you register for classes, it would know that a C- is considered "failing" so it would not let her to proceed to registering. I've known people that have tried to get into courses by the computer would not let them because they got a C-. You could also e-mail or call anonymously to your nursing secretary, or even ask your advisor, they are usually up to date on that type of information. I would be pretty upset if that wasn't the case though, and the friends that did not get into the class should definately point her out don't feel like a whiny student!!!!!!!!!!!!