Dilaudid for self-driving patient.

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Few days ago, one of the nurses held Dilaudid from patient until she (the nurse) sees the person who will drive this patient home because patient drove herself to our ER. Patient did not have any problems with it and was willing to wait, however, our manager told her to give Dilaudid now and that she is not suppose to hold the pain medicine or any treatment just to see the responsible driver physically.

That separated our nurses in two groups here:

Group 1: "I will not give this patient Dilaudid until I see the driver because I do not want to put my license at risk when this person elopes after Dilaudid and runs over a bus full of nunns. I do not want to go to court and have it on me for the rest of my life that I contributed to killing of innocent people. My preceptor told me when I was a young nurse to always wait until I can see reponsible driver in person because many patients will lie to you that someone is coming but what truly ends up happening is that they get discharged and drive off in their own car!"

Group 2: "You cannot hold Dilaudid from patient who told you that someone is coming to get them. You have to exercise a certain element of trust to what patient tells you. It is the same with drinking and driving, police officer exercises a certain element of trust that when you go to the bar, you won't get illegally drunk and can drive yourself home. If patient told you ride is coming, you can give it to them. All you can do to be a prudent nurse is to WARN this patient that she/he cannot drive home, that medicine inhibits your reaction, and DOCUMENT that you told them. Also document that patient verbalized understanding and has made arrangements for someone to come and get him/her. That is it. It is wrong to hold the medicine just because you don't trust this person and want to see the driver physically. And then how far do you go? The person may come to the room but they can still drive in separate cars (pissed at you and complaining to your manager the next day because they told you ride is coming but you have trust issues). To insure that they don't run over the bus full of nunns you either have to give it to them at their house and stay with them for 4 hrs or at the ER and then make them lay in bed for four hrs. Seeing someone in the room who says they gonna drive them does not mean your patient will not get in her car on the parking lot. And are you going to the parking lot too to make sure they get in one car?!!"

Is there any policy that can back one or another point of view state wide? I work for HCA and there is no specific policy for that.

Specializes in ER.

We give it, educate while "sober" and tell them that they need to get a ride. If they have to hang out in the lobby for 3 hours, so be it. If we see them get into a car, we call the cops for driving under the influence of narcotics (state cops will make them test).

At my old job we weren;t allowed to call the cops but we call them all the time here.

My understanding is that you cannot withhold medication that is physically safe for the patient to take and is ordered by the physician. And you cannot hold the patient there against their will after giving said medication if they don't have a ride (that's called false imprisonment and I don't feel like going to jail anytime soon). But, if I feel that the patient is going to be unsafe in the car I immediately call the police on that patient's departure from the ED (the police aren't far from us and we always have an officer stationed in the hospital). They can then do a sobriety test and take it from there.

Of course I also document the hell out of the entire encounter.

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