Defunding the Police: Win /Win Situation Or Recipe for Disaster?

Defunding the police, entails cutting down services to the police and diverting them to social services such as housing, employment, is this the solution or are there deeper extenuating circumstances such as lack of family structures, lack of fathers and mentors or revolving vicious cycle of poverty. Talk Politics Article

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Defunding the Police: Win /Win Situation Or Recipe for Disaster?

Violence is rampant across low-income black neighborhoods across the nation as police have withdrawn from their communities. Within inner cities, street violence is reaching historic proportions and the perpetrators are as young as ten in Chicago. Chicago and New York city have seen high rates of homicides and crimes under the disguise of Black Lives Matter. Answers to rampant violence will be found within the communities suffering from the crisis.  Fathers and Mentors Wanted!

Fatherless societies since slavery throughout the twenty-first century!

We need to know where we come from in order to move forward. Deep rooted in slavery times, the effects of such are still affecting the black community. Some might say, slavery occurred four hundred years ago or whatever, why are you bringing this up. Yes, fellow nurses, history put a dent in the black society, as such, we cannot keep putting band aids, and not treating the cause, a spade is a spade, let’s talk.

Slavery occurred when blacks were stolen from their mother countries and brought to America and other European countries. Once they landed, they were stripped of their identity, forced to change names and not practice their traditions. Once stripped of their identity, families were separated and not allowed to live together (Comer). The living and working conditions in the plantations impeded the formation of stable families adhering to the nuclear model slavery may have negatively influenced family formation and sexual mores among blacks (Williams). The slave trade, with the frequent division of family members, has represented a further factor in impeding the formation of stable families adhering to the nuclear model.

Black men were forced to have children they could not claim as family nor provide for, and expected to watch their children being sold as property (Caldwell & White). The Black father enslaved was helpless and required to accept his fate without resistance or concern. It is arguable that centuries of this patterning have helped render him invisible today (Caldwell & White). The tendency to matrifocal was strengthened by laws mandating that the children of slave women would also be slaves and prohibiting free men to intermarry with slave women (Stampp). Depriving black males of both authority and responsibility also led to a marginal role for black husbands and fathers within the household, resulting in the reinforcement of the single-mother family model (Stampp). The alleged inadequacy of the slave father and husband, the absence of male ‘models’ for young slave children to emulate, the prevalence of the father’s personality has persisted to modern day post slavery.  Black children are indeed more likely to reside with a single parent female headship. When families are broken, there is lack of growth and development as noted by Erick Erickson theory of development (Mcleod).

Growth and Development: Erick Erickson

Erickson theorized that developing children identify the traits, habits and ideas from people around them (McLeod). As a result, children develop a sense of competence, confidence, adequacy, efficacy and a sense of worthwhile and belonging. Some black families are poor, have inadequate housing, inadequate healthcare. Parents living under severe economic hardships are unable to give their children child bearing experiences that promote adequate self-regulation. Development is hampered and interferes with self-control, ability to concentrate, learn and manage social environment.

According to Erickson, the challenges of stages not successfully completed may be expected to return as problems in the future “arrested development” (McLeod). If fathers and mentors are lacking in the black community, where children are not taught or told that they matter at an early age results in the behavior mentioned above. Looting, not respecting self and others, black on black crime because lack of instilling of values at an early age. Unless, the black community starts loving and respecting themselves, providing emotional support to children, defunding the police is only a band aid to their issues. It has to start with them because of arrested development, they need police in their communities. Resources of course should be channeled into education, housing and other needs, but this has to be resolved first.

Generative fathering takes into account the dynamic nature of parenting. It requires that adult African American men commit to participating in the lifespan of children as an obligation for cultural and community continuity (Caldwell & White).

‘’I was lucky to have parents, teachers and mentors who’d fed me with a consistent, simple message: You Matter!" (Michelle Obama).   

Resources    

Racism and African American adolescent development (Comer, J.P)

Generative fathering: Challenges to Black masculinity and identity. Black fathers: An invisible presence in America (Caldwell, L.D., & White, J.L.)

Erik Erikson (McLeod, S.)

Becoming (Obama, M.)

The Peculiar Institution: Slavery in the Ante-Bellum South (Stampp, K.A.)

Help me to find my people: The African American search for family lost in slavery (Williams, H.A.)

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/10/CDC-teen-birth-rates-decline-black-and-hispanic-rates-still-behind/5404136002/

Since some states are making progress, it could be done everywhere if we have the will.  But I must add that I live in a Midwest Whitelandia and see plenty of white girls (in the court system) still having multiple births while living in poverty.  A attribute that to the drug epidemic since we do see grandparents in their 30's who are drug abusers and nothing good can come from that.  Their kids become drug abusers and the grandchildren become wards of the state.

 

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On 10/23/2020 at 4:56 AM, simba and mufasa said:
Defunding the Police: Win /Win Situation Or Recipe for Disaster?

Violence is rampant across low-income black neighborhoods across the nation as police have withdrawn from their communities. Within inner cities, street violence is reaching historic proportions and the perpetrators are as young as ten in Chicago. Chicago and New York city have seen high rates of homicides and crimes under the disguise of Black Lives Matter. Answers to rampant violence will be found within the communities suffering from the crisis.  Fathers and Mentors Wanted!

So, as soon as I read the bold line I got the actual point of this anti-Black Lives Matter post: 1. ) A distraction.  2.) Blame the victims.

Black Lives Matter is a simple statement.  It does not take a rocket scientist to get it, but it does seem like a some want to distract from it and fearmonger.....  Black Lives Matter means: black people's lives matter!  So, cops need to stop killing black and brown people for petty stupid unprofessional illegal reasons.  Cop Unions and so-called good citizens and other law enforcement agencies need to stop protecting bad cops.  That is all.  No other silly points made in your post relates to Black Lives Matter. 

Plus, Defunding the police is a policy proposal and it is not well explained in your post especially given the main source of your point of view is the racist Trump Supporter, Erick Erickson.  Erick Erickson is all about blaming black people for everything negative that happens to a black person in America.  So I won't waste my time explaining the policy.  And yes, I did see your references to other sources.  Your other references just made me laugh because it is a very troll move.

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Understanding that Black lives matter is not the same thing as supporting the organization "Black Lives Matter" (blacklivesmatter.com).

12 hours ago, SummerGarden said:

 

Plus, Defunding the police is a policy proposal and it is not well explained in your post especially given the main source of your point of view is the racist Trump Supporter, Erick Erickson.  Erick Erickson is all about blaming black people for everything negative that happens to a black person in America.  So I won't waste my time explaining the policy.  And yes, I did see your references to other sources.  Your other references just made me laugh because it is a very troll move.

I’m confused. I’m not an American and English is not my first language so maybe I’m missing something here. I don’t think the ”Erickson” that OP is referring to is the Trump fan who thinks that Pinochet was a great guy, and that throwing citizens who don’t support their country’s leader (dictator in this case) out of helicopters, is an acceptable way to deal with dissent. I think it’s the psychologist/psychoanalyst Erikson with the ”Stages of Psychosocial Development”. I believe that OP has misspelled the name Erikson in her text.  She has to mean the one without the C ?? (No C in Erikson in McLeod reference at the end). 

On your other point, I do agree with you that the defunding part isn’t clearly explained in the OP. 

On 10/23/2020 at 1:56 PM, simba and mufasa said:

 
 

Is defunding the police the answer, or a recipe for disaster?

 

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Defunding the police, entails cutting down services to the police and diverting them to social services such as housing, employment, is this the solution or are there deeper extenuating circumstances such as lack of family structures, lack of fathers and mentors or revolving vicious cycle of poverty? 

OP, I don’t quite understand what you’re asking here. Win/win for who? First of all, are you talking about reallocating a minor part of police department budgets to social services, housing, healthcare, education etc.? Or are you thinking of more drastic measures like complete abolition of police? Whereever you are on that sliding scale, I don’t understand what exactly what it is we’re asked to have an opinion on. Or is the question in the title more rhetorical in nature?

One other thing I don’t understand is why you call poverty, lack of fathers and family structures; extenuating circumstances? 

The way I interpret your post is that it’s your opinion that defunding the police won’t by itself be the solution. But to what? Violence? Crime? Poverty? Racism? Inequality? Poor access to healhcare? Police brutality? All of the above? I’m not being sarcastic here, I am genuinely confused. I tried to look at your reference list for a bit of clarity, but to me it goes off in several directions. 

Perhaps my reading comprehension is poor, but it would help me if your question had a bit more focus or definition.
 

On 10/23/2020 at 1:56 PM, simba and mufasa said:
Defunding the Police: Win /Win Situation Or Recipe for Disaster?

Violence is rampant across low-income black neighborhoods across the nation as police have withdrawn from their communities. Within inner cities, street violence is reaching historic proportions and the perpetrators are as young as ten in Chicago. Chicago and New York city have seen high rates of homicides and crimes under the disguise of Black Lives Matter. Answers to rampant violence will be found within the communities suffering from the crisis.  Fathers and Mentors Wanted!

 

What do you mean that Chicago and New York have high homicide rates ”under the disguise of Black Lives Matter”? Again, this might be a language thing but to me it sounds as if you’re blaming the homicide rates on BLM? Or are you saying that others are blaming it on them? 

Is street violence reaching ”historic proportions”? Is it the protests you’re talking about? Or crime in general? It’s my understanding that the majority of protests have been peaceful, but that there have been several incidents of rioting and looting in several cities. 


All I can really say at this point in response to your question is that I don’t think that defunding the police is a magical cure-all.

 

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"Defunding the police" is a meaningless term so it's hard to have a conversation about anything specific.   We obviously have to have better psychologically tested and better educated candidates for police, but, that would mean that we have to pay them better and I don't see anyone proposing that.  This is what we get when no one wants to pay taxes, regardless of need.

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The article is based on a couple of false premises; First that "Within inner cities, street violence is reaching historic proportions".  Inner city violent crime is actually decreasing slightly overall, in some cities there is a slight upward trend, in others a consistent downward trend, but overall violent crime is not actually increasing.  There are certainly those who claim that it is, but that's because that's a common tactic of Authoritarian rulers who are trying to make a transition from a free society to a police state.

Second, is that black fathers are less likely to be involved in the lives of the children they father.  This is false and is an ugly racist stereotype.  Black fathers are certainly less likely to be married to the mothers of their children, but multiple studies have shown them to be just as, if not more involved in parental responsibilities than their white and Hispanic counterparts.  

And not to be picky, but Erick Erickson is a right wing conservative bigot, Erik Erikson was a child psychologist, I'm still not completely sure which one you're referring to.

I do agree however that the Black Lives movement, both the organization and those that agree with the premise, need to be more active in preventing those who use their protests to engage in mayhem.  

 

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The bigoted over policing of black men has created a standard of absent fathers and adult male role models in poor communities of color for decades.  It's a plan that allows the white community to look upon blacks as criminals probe to abandoning their families. 

But is it true that lack of role models or fathers can lead to psychological issues that manifest in different ways as adults?

 

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45 minutes ago, simba and mufasa said:

But is it true that lack of role models or fathers can lead to psychological issues that manifest in different ways as adults?

 

We'll know the answer to that when the 545 children intentionally separated permanently from their parents grow up in a few years...right?

Maybe terrible parenting is the reason Trump is so mentally ill. His cousin seems to think there's correlation. 

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18 hours ago, simba and mufasa said:

But is it true that lack of role models or fathers can lead to psychological issues that manifest in different ways as adults?

 

I can agree to this stand alone statement and it applies to all races.  Single parenthood for so many is a one way on ramp to a life time of poverty.  Raising kids without any help in a chaotic environment always leads to trauma and hardship that get passed on to the next generation.  It's difficult to nuture a child when you are poor and stressed  and probably didn't get good parenting yourself.