Dangers of teaching kids they can be boys or girls

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One girl is struggling with her gender, and now 3 girls who are all friends of the first girl, think they are trans and have asked the doctor for hormones.

Two of these girls have issues eg self harm (cutting) and playing with eating disorders.

It appears some young teenagers are substituting typical self-harm strategies with a new way to self harm, and this is to try and change gender.

The UK has gone from 50 gender dysphoria cases a year to over 2000. This is a lie. This has come about because children are being told they can be the opposite gender, and that gender is a social construct.

This is a danger to children, and I'm dealing with it at work.

Can anyone else see the harm this ******** is causing?

You go first.

I'm fine with being proven wrong. I just believe if you are going to go on rants like this, you should back up your arguments with literature to strengthen them. Otherwise I have difficulty taking the rants for anything more than an emotional response. The nursing process is about being evidence based, so i try and base my judgements off of that.

My understanding of the ops premise is that recognizing gender dysphoria is harmful to children as ot will make others want to transition as well

We aren't talking about if they should actually transition/ be given hormones but that the concept itself is harmful.

How Should Physicians Help Gender-Transitioning Adolescents Consider Potential Iatrogenic Harms of Hormone Therapy?, August 17 - AMA Journal of Ethics

touches on the importance of involving mental health professionals early on to accurately diagnose, reaffirm and not stigmatized. It also emphasizes the importance of taking this issue on a case by case basis as gender dysphoria and transitioning are real

I am currently scrolling through the literature to see what else I can find but I challenge you to do the same so we can at least have an intelligent conversation about this topic, not a raving one. Also op, your refusal to provide any literature makes me suspect you have not even looked at it

Specializes in Community, OB, Nursery.
no problem, but you're thinking with your emotions, not logic. I can get just as emotional seeing the harm being done to little children, in the name of tolerance.

Pal, I am not the one who started an entire thread bemoaning my personal experiences. You did.

I have little children. My daughter is in first grade. She is totally ok with the fact that some people like boys and some people like girls, and some people like both. She also knows that there are some people who know that they're boys and some people who know that they're girls, and some people who know that they don't fit into either category - the same way she knows she loves cats, no one had to tell her to, she just does - even though their body may present differently than their brain tells them. It doesn't bother her at all to know any of this, and it occupies an infinitesimally small portion of her daily brainpower to think about it. If kids have hangups about these things, it's only a reflection of what the adults around them are doing.

As I said once before, the beginner-level knowledge you'd apparently need imparted to you about the spectrum of sex and gender, before we could even begin to cover things such as the rich historical tradition of trans, nonbinary, and two-spirited people across the globe and since the dawn of civilzation, would cost thousands if coming from a university, even a public one. I'm not about to hand it to you for free. Do your own heavy lifting.

Just don't think you're going to get away with posting nonsense on a public forum and not get called out for it.

Jeez. Are you really a nurse because I feel bad for any LGBT children who come across your pathway.

It doesn't matter. It's not spreadable.

Some are treating it like a trendy thing to be, but that's the heavy minority because imposters realize they can't keep it up. Transgendered people have always existed. Whether or not you agree with it, you have no right to try to control them.

A mental kid who happens to be trans =/= all LGBT

What kind of idiotic nurse thinks like that without the research? Seriously. I hope you're not an officially registered nurse.

Nurses study science too. Where were you during the entirety of your nursing school career?

Anyways, it seems that you're a popular for being an idiot on here.

When will you learn that you should quit your job?

The only issue with LGBT is when people

-join it as a trend

-are forced into it by their parents

-try to force feed "no gender" onto others as if it can be normalized throughout the entire world

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I'm fine with being proven wrong. I just believe if you are going to go on rants like this, you should back up your arguments with literature to strengthen them. Otherwise I have difficulty taking the rants for anything more than an emotional response. The nursing process is about being evidence based, so i try and base my judgements off of that.

My understanding of the ops premise is that recognizing gender dysphoria is harmful to children as ot will make others want to transition as well

We aren't talking about if they should actually transition/ be given hormones but that the concept itself is harmful.

How Should Physicians Help Gender-Transitioning Adolescents Consider Potential Iatrogenic Harms of Hormone Therapy?, August 17 - AMA Journal of Ethics

touches on the importance of involving mental health professionals early on to accurately diagnose, reaffirm and not stigmatized. It also emphasizes the importance of taking this issue on a case by case basis as gender dysphoria and transitioning are real

I am currently scrolling through the literature to see what else I can find but I challenge you to do the same so we can at least have an intelligent conversation about this topic, not a raving one. Also op, your refusal to provide any literature makes me suspect you have not even looked at it

What "rants" are we talking about? Seems like the only ranting is on the part of the OP.

touches on the importance of involving mental health professionals early on to accurately diagnose, reaffirm and not stigmatized. It also emphasizes the importance of taking this issue on a case by case basis as gender dysphoria and transitioning are real

I don't think anyone has disagreed with this. It's the OPs implication that s/he does not believe in either gender dysphoria or genuine transexuality that has triggered most responses, I think. My point was that denial that they exist will do as much if not more damage than validating a child who is confused about identity.

So you need research to show you that there IS a biological difference between boys and girls? If you need that research, you need help. But I notice you didn't address the issue of actual university professors preaching this.

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So you need research to show you that there IS a biological difference between boys and girls? If you need that research, you need help. But I notice you didn't address the issue of actual university professors preaching this.

And you still haven't provided any sources or direct quotes, so why should we believe you at all? I certainly have not heard or read any such claim.

Specializes in Oncology.

Ha. You do keep things interesting around here. What far off countries and unique experiences will you make up stories about this time?

What "rants" are we talking about? Seems like the only ranting is on the part of the OP.

I don't think anyone has disagreed with this. It's the OPs implication that s/he does not believe in either gender dysphoria or genuine transexuality that has triggered most responses, I think. My point was that denial that they exist will do as much if not more damage than validating a child who is confused about identity.

My apologies heron, I misunderstood you

And you still haven't provided any sources or direct quotes, so why should we believe you at all? I certainly have not heard or read any such claim.

Are you actually serious?

How about this biological difference.

XX and XY - tell me which one belongs to which gender.

Tell me where I said I do not believe in gender dysphoria?

I did say teaching children that gender is a social construct, and gender is spectrum we all move up and down, is harmful to children.

What about the Fa'afafine? Should we force them to assume the gender roles you believe are "traditional" of their sex at birth or their traditional gender roles that exist for them in their culture? Other cultures "traditionally" have non-binary genders. It's not all that uncommon. Which "traditions" are "correct"?

Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.
Tell me where I said I do not believe in gender dysphoria?

I did say teaching children that gender is a social construct, and gender is spectrum we all move up and down, is harmful to children.

Gender is a social construct. There is a difference between sex and gender, you don't have to go further in your research than a dictionary for that.

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