Dangers of teaching kids they can be boys or girls

[nursingaround1]

One girl is struggling with her gender, and now 3 girls who are all friends of the first girl, think they are trans and have asked the doctor for hormones.

Two of these girls have issues eg self harm (cutting) and playing with eating disorders.

It appears some young teenagers are substituting typical self-harm strategies with a new way to self harm, and this is to try and change gender.

The UK has gone from 50 gender dysphoria cases a year to over 2000. This is a lie. This has come about because children are being told they can be the opposite gender, and that gender is a social construct.

This is a danger to children, and I'm dealing with it at work.

Can anyone else see the harm this ******** is causing?

[Rocknurse, MSN, APRN, NP]

Like this:

Doorn, Poortinga, and Verschoor (1994) found that the development of a feminine gender identity system was present at an early age for male transsexuals, although the individual may not be aware of this identity until later in life. Zuger (1984)

Grossman, A. H., & D'augelli, A. R. (2006). Transgender youth: Invisible and vulnerable. Journal of homosexuality, 51(1), 111-128.

[nursingaround1]

Hardly credible when the Witherspoon Institute was founded by a religious right individual with known opposition to LGBT policies. The Heritage Foundation is another conservative think tank, and MassResistance is a biased anti-gay extreme right organization. I think you have to do better than that. We're talking independent double-blind studies, if you want your research to be taken seriously. Don't just throw out obviously biased and slanted stuff like this.

As soon as someone posts results from a study you don't like, you find a reason to discredit them, and choosing to attack someone's study because they're christian is the height of bigotedness.

[Rocknurse, MSN, APRN, NP]

As soon as someone posts results from a study you don't like, you find a reason to discredit them, and choosing to attack someone's study because they're christian is the height of bigotedness.

Well yes, obviously, seeing as historically Christian organizations have sought to cast us out, call us sinners and try to "cure" us, of course it's discredited. The same as if someone had provided a link from an extreme left organization that tried to show everyone had transgender or homosexual leanings. Obviously that's not true and has a political bent. In a professional clinical environment, biased and unsubstantiated articles are not research. I'm in grad school and if I tried to use something like that in one of my papers it would similarly be discredited. Science isn't supposed to be biased or based on emotion. An article is not a study.

As a nurse, I find it disturbing and concerning to see another nurse try to pass off this nonsense as research. Did you take research classes in school? If not this might be the time to read up on that because this is not an acceptable method in professional nursing.

[Elvish, BSN, DNP, RN, NP]

As soon as someone posts results from a study you don't like, you find a reason to discredit them, and choosing to attack someone's study because they're christian is the height of bigotedness.

Identifying obvious bias, calling out poor-quality evidence, and outing unreliable (i.e. clearly flawed and/or unreproducible) research qualifies as neither bigotry nor an attack.

Darling, please. Christians are not under attack in this country. This Mennonite asks you to take that baloney elsewhere.

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

my sources - the Scandinavian countries.

In a discussion amongst science professionals, there should be a more specific source than some vague reference to "countries."

Look it up, it's not hard. It's been in the news quite a bit.

People who make statements of "fact" on a nursing forum should always include their source; they should not be making claims and then expecting the reader to research whether or not the OP is correct in his assertion. The OP bears a burden of proof; the reader does not bear the responsibility for disproving a claim. That's just common courtesy.

[psu_213, BSN, RN]

Gay people insist they're born that way, and now people on the left are saying it's not so. I have no idea either way, but I do know it's not a spectrum, at least for most people I know.

Who "on the left" is saying that people are not born straight, gay etc.?

Also, you claim that "most" people you know are not on your "sexuality spectrum." That's it...undeniable proof that it cannot exist.

Since the world is into labels, it really is too bad that we don't have a label yet for this newly described person on the spectrum who is sexually attracted to both men and women. [sarcasm icon here]

More importantly what does this have to do with a person who is transgendered?

[Rocknurse, MSN, APRN, NP]

Before this thread is closed, which it will be, I am compelled to say that next time you think it no longer matters to speak out against homophobia or transphobia, and that because we have legal representation and equality written into law, that these issues no longer exist. This thread is proof. We are still not equal and face an enormous amount of vitriol constantly. Every single time these issues are brought up in this forum these are the responses that LGBT people have to endure. To those of you who have spoken out against this OP, I thank you. Your support and your speaking out is what will eventually tear down these discriminatory views. I am encouraged that the OP appears to be in the minority, but we have a long way to go. As an older professional, I have the tools to debate and cope, but younger people reading things like this do not, and they are vulnerable. As nurses, it is our duty to support all out patients, not just the straight cis ones.

[OrganizedChaos, LVN]

Because you live in a little bubble that feeds each other's delusions.

Well isn't that the most ignorant statement you've said, so far, today.

[OrganizedChaos, LVN]

You still don't get it.

Gay people insist they're born that way, and now people on the left are saying it's not so.

I have no idea either way, but I do know it's not a spectrum, at least for most people I know.

No, YOU aren't getting it & haven't shown us any proof otherwise!

[OrganizedChaos, LVN]

As soon as someone posts results from a study you don't like, you find a reason to discredit them, and choosing to attack someone's study because they're christian is the height of bigotedness.

You have yet to post an unbiased, peer reviewed study that shows otherwise.

[dianah, ASN]

Thread closed for review.