CRNA Doctorate in 2015 or 2025?

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Specializes in Cardiac, Pulmonary, Anesthesia.

2025, and I'm skeptical that it will come to pass.

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if anything I would go the distance and get the doctorate just makes you more marketable in the end. I guess the only analogy is like a doctor that isn't board certified, they have way less opportunities because of it.

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Specializes in ICU / PCU / Telemetry / Oncology.

Is the DNP still slated to be the entry standard for other NPs by 2015? If so, will it be possible to go BSN > DNP without an intervening MSN required for admission?

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
2025, and I'm skeptical that it will come to pass.

CRNAs have went from requiring certificate in anesthesia, to a Bachelors, to a Masters, and now is moving towards a Doctorate. I think it is pretty much a done deal. Both military nurse anesthesia schools already have plans to start their Doctoral programs in the next couple of years, and there are at least 4 other nurse anesthesia programs that are already offering Doctorate programs in nurse anesthesia.

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Specializes in Junior Year of BSN.
Is the DNP still slated to be the entry standard for other NPs by 2015? If so, will it be possible to go BSN > DNP without an intervening MSN required for admission?

Yes there is a couple of programs out there that are for BSN grads that want their DNP. http://www.aacn.nche.edu/dnp/dnpprogramlist.htm Check that website out or google Post-baccalaureate DNP programs. Arizona State is one of them. Usually require twice the amount of clinical hours compared to going from MSN to DNP, but I think that is a good thing.

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Specializes in Long Term Care; Skilled Nursing.

Okay... I dislike this whole thing. I mean CRNA's have been doing their jobs with a Master's for how many years. They shouldn't have to get a doctorate in nursing. It's ridiculous... this will probably come out wrong, but nurses go to nursing school to become nurses and actually care for people, not to become doctors.

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
Okay... I dislike this whole thing. I mean CRNA's have been doing their jobs with a Master's for how many years. They shouldn't have to get a doctorate in nursing. It's ridiculous... this will probably come out wrong, but nurses go to nursing school to become nurses and actually care for people, not to become doctors.

*** The whole DNP thing came about as a result of nursing's industry-wide inferiority complex IMO.

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Specializes in Emergency NP.

I'm assuming that anyone with a masters in nursing will grandfather into the doctoral programs?

OTs/PTs who received their degrees undergraduate/masters level find jobs just as easily as their masters/doctorate counterparts it seems, I assume APNs will follow suit?

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Is the DNP still slated to be the entry standard for other NPs by 2015? If so, will it be possible to go BSN > DNP without an intervening MSN required for admission?

Most MSN programs are going to vanish. All NP's will require BSN to DNP direct, no masters(for new NP's). The MSN programs that are going to remain will create something called a "nurse leader". Believe CNL is their new title. Will probably be a few masters programs in other areas of nursing that don't have a clinical component that will remain. CRNA's wont need a masters either.

I just wish they arranged the crna education so it wouldnt take so many additional classes to make it a clinical doctorate. My school had almost as much required semester hours in the anesthesia MSN as their PharmD program. If you count the undergraduate classes in nursing then we had way more required, in terms of length of program. A minimum of 6 years is all a PharmD takes, and its possbile to get a PharmD with absoultely no previous college degree. Just two years prereq's then straight into the PharmD with no bachelors. Granted many applicants actually have a bachelors before acceptance, still it is possible. And my program was twice as long as the NP program, three times longer than every other masters degree they offered.

Pharmacists also went straight from bachelor's degree in pharmacy to pharmd with less than one year added. I am going by the two programs I know of and wanted to apply too.

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Its a good thing we do ours ten years after NP's. I am guessing that the change is going to have a huge impact on getting new NP's. Almost all NP's I know went to school part time while working and caring for their families. I am guessing it will take 5 to 6 years of part time study to do a DNP for new practitioners. I don't think that the time committment and the huge debt will be manageable for alot of working mothers. With that said, will anesthesia go up to three to four years full time?

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The entire DNS stuff is all about the feelings of inferiority of the NP community.. The CRNA community ( AANA ) for reasons known only to god... got in bed with the NP community..... and woke up with sores and dysuria...It is a waste of time money and effort. The CRNA community should DISTANCE ourselves from the NP community.. not get closer... They aspire to what WE have.. it is not even close to the other way around.

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