COVID Misinformation/Ignorance

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How do you deal with ignorant family members/friends. I cannot deal with ignorant, misinformed people anymore - especially when it hits close to home w/ friends and family for some reason I take it personally and when they do not have any desire to learn and become better informed. 

My in-laws tried to tell me this influx of COVID cases could also be flu and the numbers are exaggerated - and as an ER nurse -- working in two ERs and having done some time in a COVID ICU, seeing all the horrors first hand, like many of you did - when people just spew absolute misinformation absolute BS- it infuriates my soul - it undermines all the hard-work we have done. It is so *** disheartening I cannot even begin to explain it. 

FIRSTLY- for the last 1 month both my ER’s as well as neighboring hospitals are running what we call a pandemic resp panel which checks for SARS-CoV-2 AND a slew of other possible resp viral illnesses Adenovirus/parainfluenza, influenza A/B, etc. SO saying these numbers could be flu is simply inaccurate. 

then … I mentioned how excited I was for my second COVID vaccine. Because I spent the previous night in a COVID room for hours with a patient who had a productive cough, who was gasping for breath just to stand and pivot to the commode. I’ve taken care of my own co-workers infected with COVID, which hurts my soul, and makes me realize I could be next. 

This is why I was excited for the part 2 of the vaccine— but don’t worry I was then compared to a heroin addict and asked if I was going to get the second injection in between my toes… followed by a bunch of comments of saying they aren’t going to get it … or “let’s see what happens to all these other people getting it” just a complete disregard for science, evidence and the fact that this vaccine is our our only hope for a return to normalcy… mind you one of these people is a teacher - I would like to think she believe in science and research- clearly not - she goes on to comment on how she doesn’t get the flu vaccine but all her students were mandated the flu vaccine how the *** is that even fair??? And she’s complaining that her job is strongly urging a COVID swab ???? What is wrong with knowing you’re negative- before you teach CHILDREN!!?? 

THEN … one of my best friends in the whole world — feel like I can’t talk to her about COVID anymore either … she’s against the vaccine due to “infertility claims” give me a *** break - whatever that’s your right but do some actual research first from RCT’s not BS… 

she works a desk job that happens to be in healthcare in the outpatient setting she is pissed about the lack of hazard pay and pissed about her lack of an N-95 yet she isn’t providing any patient care whatsoever- meanwhile a good portion of us were denied hazard pay, N-95's. 

I cannot do this anymore. I I drove to my night shift in the cold rain crying… which is a nice change from the chest pain I used to have months ago. No one understands the *** we go through. I’ve never felt so alone as a nurse, so undermined, so worthless and not cared about ever in my nursing career. This pandemic hurts so much. 

The hope I had for the new year … the hope I had for the vaccine is squashed by people’s *** ignorance.  I apologize for the length - its been a lot - thank you 

Specializes in Private Duty Pediatrics.

OP, you described it so clearly! Thank you!

I, too, feel so very frustrated when my relatives discount the CDC, Dr. Fauci, and the various studies that I have posted on face book. When I posted a video of zdoggmd with Dr. Paul Offit, my niece said she couldn't believe anything zdoggmd said, "He's just a blogger."

But the sources she uses are simply not true. When she refuses to look at the truth, how can she understand?

"There are none so blind as those who will not see."

Specializes in Emergency/med surg.
5 hours ago, Kitiger said:

OP, you described it so clearly! Thank you!

I, too, feel so very frustrated when my relatives discount the CDC, Dr. Fauci, and the various studies that I have posted on face book. When I posted a video of zdoggmd with Dr. Paul Offit, my niece said she couldn't believe anything zdoggmd said, "He's just a blogger."

But the sources she uses are simply not true. When she refuses to look at the truth, how can she understand?

"There are none so blind as those who will not see."

I love zdogg!! I find him credible and he tells how it is - but I actually purposely don’t re-post him because I know people are going to say he’s “one doctor- not an immunologist, ID doc blah blah. Whatever so in that case I have posted the publications of the research publications in New England Journal of Medicine - they don’t read it. I’m no expert at reading research even with my MSN-  I took notes made high-lights, looked up things etc.  I’ve been happy to answer people’s questions and welcome and appreciate the questions versus the BS Claims. The misinformation is just as dangerous as the virus!! 

To be honest, I tend to deal with it by limiting my interactions with people who have no interest in educating themselves.

I am very, very blessed to have an immediate family who take COVID seriously, and who want to get the vaccine.  I also have chosen to have only a small number of facebook friends, limited to people I WANT to interact with.  I have a few family members who do not share my politics, so we tend to avoid politically charged discussions, and I will sometimes limit who sees my posts.

There have been times when I've commented on something posted by a friend, and then the comments went south because friends of friends turned out to be anti-science nut jobs. And at that point, I just stop reading and replying. If I post facts and logic, and they respond with insults, it's time to move on.

When I can't avoid a conversation, I will sometimes just keep it to my personal experience. When people are listening to conspiracy theorists and don't trust science, it's easy for them to dismiss actual research. But it's a lot harder for them to discount an eyewitness standing in front of them.  We were having some masonry done this Summer, and when I got out of my car wearing my scrubs, one of the workers asked me what I thought of "all this COVID stuff."  I said something about how our numbers were fortunately much lower than when the Spring spike overwhelmed the hospital, but we're still seeing people needing hospitalization, so best to stay cautious. The guy then said, "well, I think it's all a crock!"  I just said, "well, I was on a COVID unit today, and one of my patients died this afternoon."  His eyes got wide, and he was visibly taken aback.  I don't know what he expected me to say, but it wasn't that. Then I went inside to shower before touching my kids.

On 1/2/2021 at 11:44 AM, GS ED RN said:

 at the end of the day whether you believe in covid or vaccines or not if you’re sick we are GOING To take care if you no matter what, with the same level of care we would anyone - you’ll be cared for whether you were blatantly irresponsible selfish *** the same as if you were my fellow covid+ healthcare worker - which is probably why my non-healthcare working husband can accept peoples’ poor decisions and I cannot. 

I had my first COVID patient who didn't believe in COVID last week.  He did behave himself on my shift, but had given quite a few of my colleagues a hard time because they didn't need to be wearing those masks, and he certainly didn't.  He should be allowed to walk around the halls, etc. Some of the more senior nurses had to crack down on him, and he backed down just short of them calling security.

At one point, he was going on about how COVID isn't real with one of the doctors.  The doctor simply reached over to the wall, turned off the O2 flow, and continued the conversation.  The patient continued railing, as his breath became more labored, then he paused.  The doctor said, "that doesn't feel very good, does it?" And turned the O2 back up, and explained what COVID was doing to his lungs and why he needed supplemental O2.  I really wish I could have been there to see that exchange in person.

It's infuriating to know he was out there in the community, proudly and defiantly going about maskless. According to his family, he simply refused to wear one, though masks have been mandated in our state for months.  I can only hope he didn't infect too many people before he found himself in the hospital.

Fortunately, he's not the norm.  But my heart goes out to those of you working in areas where COVID denial is much more prevalent.

Specializes in Public Health, TB.

OP, know that you are not alone and you are a hero. I am fortunate to have a family that believes in science, and some of them might be a little afraid of how I would come down on them is they said covid was a hoax and refused a vaccine. And if someone mocked me for getting vaccinated I would flat out tell them that seems like a cruel thing to say. 

I do occasionally post on the local community facebook group when someone posts something stupid. I don't attack or mock, I just clearly state facts and move on. I've been called all sorts of derogatory names, but that says more about the name callers than it does about me. 

Specializes in Private Duty Pediatrics.
9 hours ago, turtlesRcool said:

To be honest, I tend to deal with it by limiting my interactions with people who have no interest in educating themselves.

There have been times when I've commented on something posted by a friend, and then the comments went south because friends of friends turned out to be anti-science nut jobs. And at that point, I just stop reading and replying. If I post facts and logic, and they respond with insults, it's time to move on.

Exactly!

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.

The vaccine affects fertility?

Hmmm that's news. But then the disease may too, if not indirectly, in death. We don't know all the destruction this disease can wreak on the human body, but we sure are seeing a lot kidney failure patients as a result of covid. Kidney failure definitely affects fertility.......

Don't discuss this with people who are willfully ignorant. It's not good for your mental health. Hang in there.

9 hours ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

The vaccine affects fertility?

Hmmm that's news.

What I heard early on is that the spike proteins that the mRNA in the vaccine makes your body produce closely resembles syncytin-1, which is a protein that plays an important role in placental development. There was a concern initially, voiced by someone working for Moderna I believe, that the vaccine could potentially lead to a cross-immunity and cause the body to attack syncytin-1, causing infertility. I think this has since been pretty decidedly proven wrong, but the rumor is still circulating in "those" circles.

On 1/2/2021 at 7:34 AM, Emergent said:

There are lots of opinions out there and the public has rightfully felt jerked around by those in charge. Why should they trust the experts when those experts don't always seem to know the truth?

If I were you, I would just not discuss covid with people. That's what I do for the most part. There are lots of disagreements out there as to how the whole crisis should be handled. It's very political, and politics are generally a good subject to avoid.

I get so frustrated with this simple minded, misguided point of view. Anyone who believes this must have never paid any attention to science before.

We don't have 100% certainty about ANYTHING. What science does is not to guarantee anything, or find anything to be 100% true, but rather finds the MOST LIKELY truths and explanations.

To dismiss experts because they don't "always seem to know the truth" is naive and obtuse, especially when you're dismissing educated explanations based on extensive research with high degrees of certainty for some one-off website's fantastical explanation based on too much movie watching and an irrational fear of unseen, ominous powers.
 

Like it or not, science and the scientific process is the best our species has of understanding and explaining the world around us. To say, "if it's not 100% sure then any other explanation is just as likely" is just a completely flawed way of thinking. To say, "well this guy was wrong once so I can't trust anything he says" is just a completely flawed way of thinking.

Specializes in CWON.

You are certainly not alone.  I have family and friends that live in the land of BS....and it's at the point where I'm willing to cut ties with many.  I'm incredibly disappointed with humanity right now and it feels like a personal betrayal when those you've been close to are voicing bull or are anti mask...having big family gatherings etc.... contributing to the crap conditions that healthcare workers are dealing with.

So forget strangers...I have ZERO patience there:  got into the elevator with one of the maintenance guys at our hospital who asked me where my specialty bed was going and I said a patient who is mostly immobile with a temp of 101.  He asked if she was covid and when I said no he said "well she will be."

Couldn't help it...said "oh...you're one of those" ....with my outside voice. ?  He said "well they're all covid by the time they leave" and I countered with "pretty sure you're not seeing patient charts...or what disnosises and codes are entered...and I can personally tell you that they're NOT all covid by the time they leave....but we should probably stop this particular conversation now-ish...because it won't end well."

He works there...sees the staff miserable and is able to talk to them..sees patients on vents...sees how busy we are...and still spreads misinformation like he has insider knowledge to confirm his BS.  I could have smacked him.  He took the dang vaccine though....

Yeah... you're not alone.  And that little rant didn't actually make me feel better...but knowing others are in the same boat helps a bit for sure. 

Specializes in CWON.
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13 hours ago, ladycody said:

 

I hate typos that make me look like a dope...and posts with errors I can't fix...like this one....rofl.  apologies for all of the above ? Tried to just delete and it's not an option.

Specializes in Hospice, LPN.
On 1/2/2021 at 7:28 AM, macawake said:

There’s really no need to apologize. These past nine months have been extremely hard for many people and healthcare professionals like yourself working on the frontline have born the brunt of it. My heart goes out to you reading your words where your pain and emotional fatigue is palpable. 

Working in life-and-death situations for such a long time is a prolonged trauma. I think your initial feelings of optimism for the new year were valid. They still are in my opinion, but I can easily see why you are having problems re-connecting with that optimism. But as hard as it might be to internalize at the moment, this too shall pass. Things will get better! 
 

There’s ignorance and then there’s cruelty. In my opinion, this qualifies as the latter. What the hell is wrong with a person who says something like that? Especially to a healthcare worker who encounters this disease on a daily basis. 

Unfortunately there’s no vaccine for ignorance and stupidity, so the best we can all do is to try to seek out people and things that give us positive energy and avoid those who are unable or unwilling to do that. 

More and more I am starting to feel like cruelty has become the new ignorance. Those kinds of comments from these people seem to come from a place of anger and aggression rather than a difference of opinion.

When I got my vaccine I felt such a sense of relief, it took me a while to understand it all, but I think a big part is that I get to step out of the quicksand of these heartbreaking and infuriating conversations. I had the opportunity to make a choice for my future and I took it. Every time I put on a mask and follow guidelines, that is a choice that I make for my future and for everyone around me. Some people want to stay where they're at and sadly the world is already moving on without them. That's a scary place to be. They're angry.

I may survive COVID and get hit by a car. There are still so many at risk that need protection and with stronger, safer healthcare workers they have a fighting chance. And so do we in our own lives. I know that as more people get vaccinated and start moving forward, those people won't have the kind of power to hurt us that they have right now. I think they know that too. Just hold tight, we'll get through this together.

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