Convicted of murder as a teen and now a nurse

[TheGooch]

I know of someone who was convicted of murder as a teen. I won't go into details because the case is somewhat famous due to the fact there was a made-for-tv movie. The person in question did their time and is now in their 40's and is a RN. They legally changed their name but because some website had this information posted the new name has been discovered.

My question is how does someone who has a murder conviction become an RN. I know that the person was tried as a juvenile and sentenced as one but don't they have to disclose this information to the BON?

[Libby1987]

Theoretically speaking, I'm not so much afraid of her harming anyone on the job, and it's true that we work with POS's who fly under the radar, but for me it's the principle of any public service job that includes an oath to protect the well being of others that should exclude those who have heinously harmed others. Include killing while DUI.

In California there's a boy in custody with an even younger brain for allegedly stabbing his sister 27 times (32? I no longer remember the exact count). What do they call those murders? Crime of passion? Murderous rage? I can't think of the term. Anyway if this boy rehabilitates and becomes otherwise law abiding, on principal I wouldn't want him admitted to nursing, medical, LE, any work with minors etc.

[LadyFree28, BSN, LPN, RN]

Theoretically speaking, I'm not so much afraid of her harming anyone on the job, and it's true that we work with POS's who fly under the radar, but for me it's the principle of any public service job that includes an oath to protect the well being of others that should exclude those who have heinously harmed others. Include killing while DUI.

But does that becomes a moot point when these same people that we don't know (or even if we find out) are upholding their license?

[Libby1987]

But does that becomes a moot point when these same people that we don't know (or even if we find out) are upholding their license?

Practically speaking probably, but that doesn't mean that I'd want to abandon standards.

[resqbug]

Again, 11 pages and nobody has said with 100% certainty that the person with a nursing license is actually proven to be the same girl and not just someone else with the same name? Best I can tell, one website said that only 1 person in the US has that name, but those sites are not totally accurate.

[Red Kryptonite]

Again, 11 pages and nobody has said with 100% certainty that the person with a nursing license is actually proven to be the same girl and not just someone else with the same name? Best I can tell, one website said that only 1 person in the US has that name, but those sites are not totally accurate.

The conversation went past the individual and into the philosophical a long time ago.

[LadyFree28, BSN, LPN, RN]

Practically speaking probably, but that doesn't mean that I'd want to abandon standards.

Yes we have standards, but if those who we unknowingly have engaged in gross moral turpitude and other infractions have been cleared to practice and have upheld our standards, then, what now?

[RNIBCLC]

If the name and information is correct and it seems that way to me. This person has a license in a state that is pretty strict about criminal history. I've know nurses who committed petty crimes in their youths that found it to get licensure from the state in which this person is allegedly licensed.

[Libby1987]

Yes we have standards, but if those who we unknowingly have engaged in gross moral turpitude and other infractions have been cleared to practice and have upheld our standards, then, what now?

I think heinous crimes shouldn't be cleared to practice. No admittance. Morality is another thing and subjective, crime isn't.

[RNsRWe, ASN, RN]

Regarding what is and is not appropriate conversation for a discussion on a public message board such as this one is not up to any one individual member to decide.

This website encourages "lively debate", per the TOS, and as long as the conversation stays within the boundaries of the rules of use.....it should be there for anyone who wishes to engage in said conversation.

The specific individual that was at the center of the original broaching of the topic is no longer much of a focus; at THIS point, the discussion is about was we (as nursing professionals) feel should or should not be permitted regarding gaining a nursing license and practicing within the profession.

If there is anything that is MORE appropriate for discussion on a forum for nurses, I certainly don't know what it is.

[LadyFree28, BSN, LPN, RN]

I think heinous crimes shouldn't be cleared to practice. No admittance. Morality is another thing and subjective, crime isn't.

But here's the thing...it IS happening; people who have shown to be productive citizens who willing admit to their crimes may or may not be granted licensure-it is done on a case by case basis, while others who have willingly commit crimes and NEVER get caught are granted licensure and still uphold the standards are working side by side with no one the wiser of said persons actions.

My point is we can have those standards, and we should, but realistically speaking, there are many that slip through the cracks and are upholding the principals of our licensure.

[joanna73, BSN, RN]

An important consideration is that this person was 15 when she committed the crime. Doesn't excuse what she did, but that is the premise of the young offender's act. A 15 year old lacks the insight, maturity and wisdom of a 40 year old.

[OrganizedChaos, LVN]

I think if someone is a psycho/sociopath & they have it in them to murder someone it doesn't matter the age, they will murder someone. There are people under age who murder then there are adults who murder.

I don't care how old the person is who killed someone else, if you killed in cold blood I wouldn't want you as my nurse, my families or working with me.