Comparing how news media headlines and reports on the same story

toomuchbaloney · Feb 24, 2023

Roitrn said:

Yes. No one can ever call out a democrats lies because of "Trump did it worse". They are forever exonerated from any lie.

I'm not sure if you are aware. Media can be bias but still factual.

Of course people can call democrats liars. If they had no similar criticisms of Trump's unprecedented and habitual lying in these same threads then that double standard hypocrisy is likely going to be mentioned. That shouldn't be surprising. There's no exoneration but there should be some semblance of consistency in voiced our expectations, right?

I'm not certain why you think that I require a primer on bias and accuracy. I am the member who commented that accuracy and reliability were more important than bias. Extremely biased writing often struggles with accuracy and facts and mild or moderate bias can be identified and accommodated.

Roitrn · Feb 24, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

Of course people can call democrats liars. If they had no similar criticisms of Trump's unprecedented and habitual lying in these same threads then that double standard hypocrisy is likely going to be mentioned. That shouldn't be surprising. There's no exoneration but there should be some semblance of consistency in voiced our expectations, right?

I'm not certain why you think that I require a primer on bias and accuracy. I am the member who commented that accuracy and reliability were more important than bias. Extremely biased writing often struggles with accuracy and facts and mild or moderate bias can be identified and accommodated.

You are the member trying to devalidate an entire news station based on its political affiliation and a court case that hasn't stated yet.

heron, ASN, RN · Feb 24, 2023

Roitrn said:

You are the member trying to devalidate an entire news station based on its political affiliation and a court case that hasn't stated yet.

Dunning-Kruger strikes again.

toomuchbaloney · Feb 24, 2023

Roitrn said:

You are the member trying to devalidate an entire news station based on its political affiliation and a court case that hasn't stated yet.

FOX has long been known for biased and sometimes inaccurate reporting. Regular and routine Fox consumers are more likely to believe lies about elections, climate change, face mask usage or a variety of pandemic topics. My opinions are based upon years of observations and exposure to Fox programming and review of comparative studies.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/press-release/covid-19-misinformation-is-ubiquitous-78-of-the-public-believes-or-is-unsure-about-at-least-one-false-statement-and-nearly-at-third-believe-at-least-four-of-eight-false-statements-tested/

Did you know that regular viewers of Fox are not well informed on current events when compared to other news outlets? Read this study, if you dare.

The impacts of selective partisan media exposure: A field experiment with Fox News viewers

So, no, my poor opinion of Fox isn't limited to its partisan leanings or this specific court case, as you state.

Why are you defending the network against my characterization?

Roitrn · Feb 24, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

FOX has long been known for biased and sometimes inaccurate reporting. Regular and routine Fox consumers are more likely to believe lies about elections, climate change, face mask usage or a variety of pandemic topics. My opinions are based upon years of observations and exposure to Fox programming and review of comparative studies.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/press-release/covid-19-misinformation-is-ubiquitous-78-of-the-public-believes-or-is-unsure-about-at-least-one-false-statement-and-nearly-at-third-believe-at-least-four-of-eight-false-statements-tested/

Did you know that regular viewers of Fox are not well informed on current events when compared to other news outlets? Read this study, if you dare.

The impacts of selective partisan media exposure: A field experiment with Fox News viewers

So, no, my poor opinion of Fox isn't limited to its partisan leanings or this specific court case, as you state.

Why are you defending the network against my characterization?

I wasn't defending it. Just pointing out my observation of bias from you as evident by these threads. And that a defemation case hasn't even strayed and yet you have already come to a conclusion.

Do you have any comparative studies that evaluate other MSM inaccurate reporting and bias? Is there a counter study on what left leaning viewers and their informative status?

What would you consider as a least bias right leaning news source?

Roitrn · Feb 24, 2023

heron said:

Dunning-Kruger strikes again.

Perhaps you are exhibiting the "Dunning-Kruger effect" because you are assuming my level of knowledge? You have no knowledge of my education or expertise or credentials. This is an anonymous on-line forum. There is novway to assign the effect.

Also, you accused me of acting like an expert previously but failed to provide any statement made by me to back up your claim.

Your ignorance is showing.....

toomuchbaloney · Feb 24, 2023

Roitrn said:

I wasn't defending it. Just pointing out my observation of bias from you as evident by these threads. And that a defemation case hasn't even strayed and yet you have already come to a conclusion.

Do you have any comparative studies that evaluate other MSM inaccurate reporting and bias? Is there a counter study on what left leaning viewers and their informative status?

What would you consider as a least bias right leaning news source?

We all have bias that is evident in our remarks in these threads.

Yes. My opinion is that Fox is a dishonest media company that engages in propaganda. My opinion is bolstered by this recent case involving Dominion but my opinion of Fox was informed well before this case.

You have offered up ALLSIDES which compares media reporting. Ad Fontes ranks media by accuracy and reliability as well as bias.

I don't know of any studies or research that looks specifically for knowledge deficits among left leaning viewers, do you? It would be a good comparison. I suspect that studies and research are conducted when it appears that there are segments of society sharing beliefs or opinions or thinking that is disconnected from actual facts or realities or contrary to conventional thinking. The researchers study what might be seen as a problem so that they might discover a remedy.

WSJ is an example of a right leaning publication that manages bias well.

Roitrn · Feb 24, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

We all have bias that is evident in our remarks in these threads.

Yes. My opinion is that Fox is a dishonest media company that engages in propaganda. My opinion is bolstered by this recent case involving Dominion but my opinion of Fox was informed well before this case.

You have offered up ALLSIDES which compares media reporting. Ad Fontes ranks media by accuracy and reliability as well as bias.

I don't know of any studies or research that looks specifically for knowledge deficits among left leaning viewers, do you? It would be a good comparison. I suspect that studies and research are conducted when it appears that there are segments of society sharing beliefs or opinions or thinking that is disconnected from actual facts or realities or contrary to conventional thinking.  The researchers study what might be seen as a problem so that they might discover a remedy.

WSJ is an example of a right leaning publication that manages bias well.

Field experiments come with some disadvantages.

https://getrevising.co.uk/grids/field_experiment_pros_and_cons

What should be done about people who believe things that may not be true?

Is this phenomenon only applicable to right sided media and people?

Or has it always been a factor across all political spectrums? I think what these studies and seemling you suggest that there is some remarkable issue with right leaning people/media. Some sort of collected defect. Which is ridiculous.

Roitrn · Feb 24, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

We all have bias that is evident in our remarks in these threads.

Yes. My opinion is that Fox is a dishonest media company that engages in propaganda. My opinion is bolstered by this recent case involving Dominion but my opinion of Fox was informed well before this case.

You have offered up ALLSIDES which compares media reporting. Ad Fontes ranks media by accuracy and reliability as well as bias.

I don't know of any studies or research that looks specifically for knowledge deficits among left leaning viewers, do you? It would be a good comparison. I suspect that studies and research are conducted when it appears that there are segments of society sharing beliefs or opinions or thinking that is disconnected from actual facts or realities or contrary to conventional thinking.  The researchers study what might be seen as a problem so that they might discover a remedy.

WSJ is an example of a right leaning publication that manages bias well.

Field experiments come with some disadvantages.

https://getrevising.co.uk/grids/field_experiment_pros_and_cons

What should be done about people who believe things that may not be true?

Is this phenomenon only applicable to right sided media and people?

Or has it always been a factor across all political spectrums? I think what these studies and seemling you suggest that there is some remarkable issue with right leaning people/media. Some sort of collected defect. Which is ridiculous.

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Hunter Biden Misses Deadline to Submit Records on Foreign Business Dealings

https://www.allsides.com/story/politics-hunter-biden-misses-house-oversight-committee-deadline-hand-over-documents

This is interesting. A summary from Allsides

toomuchbaloney · Feb 24, 2023

Roitrn said:

Field experiments come with some disadvantages.

https://getrevising.co.uk/grids/field_experiment_pros_and_cons

What should be done about people who believe things that may not be true?

Is this phenomenon only applicable to right sided media and people?

Or has it always been a factor across all political spectrums? I think what these studies and seemling you suggest that there is some remarkable issue with right leaning people/media. Some sort of collected defect. Which is ridiculous.

Have you ever designed or conducted or participated in field research? What was the purpose of your link?

Generally speaking, exposure to facts, data and evidence help people to remedy wrong thinking. Education helps overcome ignorance.

At the risk of repeating myself, no, the phenomenon of people believing lies or misrepresentations or propaganda is not limited to right sided media or people. It is simply right sided media in the news for lying to their viewers and right sided personalities lying about masks or pandemics or vaccines...

What these studies suggest is that this is the era of the conman, grifters and charlatans, and that media outlets on the right have been conditioning their viewers/listeners for many years to accept as true things that were not entirely true. They omitted or minimized facts and details that were not in line with the narrative they were stitching together and their consumers have developed knowledge deficits.

Did you read the links I provided?

Roitrn said:

https://www.allsides.com/story/politics-hunter-biden-misses-house-oversight-committee-deadline-hand-over-documents

This is interesting. A summary from Allsides

Yes... only right wing media believes this to be news worthy. That is not at all surprising.

Roitrn · Feb 25, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

Have you ever designed or conducted or participated in field research? What was the purpose of your link?

Generally speaking, exposure to facts, data and evidence help people to remedy wrong thinking. Education helps overcome ignorance.

At the risk of repeating myself, no, the phenomenon of people believing lies or misrepresentations or propaganda is not limited to right sided media or people. It is simply right sided media in the news for lying to their viewers and right sided personalities lying about masks or pandemics or vaccines...

What these studies suggest is that this is the era of the conman, grifters and charlatans, and that media outlets on the right have been conditioning their viewers/listeners for many years to accept as true things that were not entirely true. They omitted or minimized facts and details that were not in line with the narrative they were stitching together and their consumers have developed knowledge deficits.

Did you read the links I provided?

Yes... only right wing media believes this to be news worthy. That is not at all surprising.

Yes and because it doesn't align with the left media ideology, they refuse to report on it. Which isn't surprising either.....

toomuchbaloney · Feb 25, 2023

Roitrn said:

Yes and because it doesn't align with the left media ideology, they refuse to report on it. Which isn't surprising either.....

What exactly is news worthy about the story for you? What draws you to the story? Do you find the publicly available evidence compelling? Would you share some reporting on that credible evidence?

What is the left media ideology and which media outlets are engaged in changing or spinning their reporting to align? If media isn't reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop stuff does that qualify them as left media? Outlets like the AP or Reuters?